User talk:Sandwichman2448

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Adding a new Mirror webpage


I want to add a new mirror website on the patch_mirror section but it says I'm not allowed to add external urls when i try to edit the page. What should I do?


Genn's and Velen's involvement in the Attack on Theramore Isle

I'd like to know your opinion on this particular subject.

Thank you for checking! --Cemotucu (talk) 23:13, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Your opinion is desired

Your opinion is desired on Fan made videos.


IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 14:09, 12 June 2013 (UTC)


Hi, Sandwichman2448. Thanks for creating the Blank Scroll page and linking back to Trade Secrets of a Trade Prince. It really helps me out. You guys do awesome work here.

Sorry if this is in the wrong place. I would have messaged you privately, but couldn't figure out how. Bad at Wiki.

User: GavinJF

Vanity redirects

I understand. Sorry :P --IconSmall Highborne Male.gifFlower of the Moon, my heart beats only to serve Your Glory! Kroenen thuzad (talk · contr)

RE: "Let us not get into the ToA's two visits thing."

Well if we're just going to ignore the content of ToA, even though it's much more recent than the original account written for WC3, could at least keep the edit to the general section of the page? I purposefully made it as neutral as possible so as not to mention any number of Titan visits or who arrived was first for that part. I changed that section mostly for the motivation behind the Titans' arrival on Azeroth.

  • "ruled the planet of Azeroth in the days before the titans arrived to shape and order it."

This account of the Titans' motivation for coming to Azeroth is from WC3. Aside from this motivation for arrival being contradicted by ToA ("arrived to extirpate symbiotic infection"), it's also contradicted by the AskCDev2's "when the titans' forces arrived to subdue the Old Gods." --Aquamonkeyeg (talk) 05:21, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

While I am willing to go along with something like this edit to the Earthen page, the edit to the Old Gods page is taking it too far. The Old Gods and the Ordering of Azeroth is old enough that it has likely been retconned, but your edit also changes the content to a theory supported only by the Tribunal of Ages (which due to the non-linear nature of the conversation, never gets into much context) while also ignoring the context of the much more recent Ask CDev answers that agrees with the older lore.--SWM2448 14:31, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Happy to discuss things but... Aqua has proved that the Lore Keeper of Norgannon, the Tribunal of Ages and the Ask CDev do not contradict each other. See the Old Gods talk page for a better explanation. Maybe the issue should be discussed again.-- (talk) 15:56, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
I made my case for the 2 visits thing in the discussion page as Cemotucu noted. My plea here was more for this edit. --Aquamonkeyeg (talk) 20:10, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
I knew what you were talking about. Sorry for being unclear.--SWM2448 20:35, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

"Talk:Lord Kazzak" redirecting

"Talk:Lord Kazzak" is being redirected to "Talk:Lord Kazzak (tactics)" --Aquamonkeyeg (talk) 03:22, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Youtube tag error banner has a typo

The error banner for attempting to add "youtube" tags to articles has a typo. "2. ..., use {{#vplink:ABCdefGHi|Video Title}}"

It should be "#vlink" instead of "#vplink". Geeze the site is really anal about that tag even when enclosed by <nowiki></nowiki>. --Aquamonkeyeg (talk) 19:32, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

I can't fix it. I get caught by the same thing. After informing myself what I was trying to do, I redirected myself to Kaydeethree... then, I thought better of it and countered stupidity with stupidity. There might have been a better way to do that.--SWM2448 20:37, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
I think &lt; for "<" and &gt; for ">" can be used. --Aquamonkeyeg (talk) 21:13, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

My signature

I did not know that meant admin, my bad. Makes since because only admins have it. Thanks! Tongueout.gif IconSmall Murozond.gifTime, is what is running. Suraf BrovCalSuraf BrovCal (TalkNeed something?/SpecialCurious?) 23:55, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

You're fine.--SWM2448 00:00, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Prince Tortheldrin's class

Hi there! I noticed that you removed an edit about Prince Tortheldrin's class (Mage and Necromancer). Why so? I understand that's a speculation but he clearly uses Mage's spells like Counterspell and it's said in the dungeon journal that he wields necromantic abilities. On the other hand, he has dual-wield... But why did you remove his class? Thanks for your attention!—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Adunaii (talk · contr).


I understood the Instance page to be more about game terms. The way the opening sentence was phrased, I was expecting to find something pertaining to instances by following the Keep link. But that Keep page is about literal keeps, with a broken disambig I assumed was going to point to a Keep game term page (but didn't). And the Dungeon page includes castles as part of its definition as a general fantasy term for an adventuring area. I don't care either way, but that was just my reasoning behind the change. --Aquamonkeyeg (talk) 20:03, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Change of Command, Twinbraid

I added the citation to the General Twinbraid. Basically General Twinbraid and the forces of Bael'dun annihilated the native Stonespire Tribe, then forced the survivors to leave their ancestral lands per Khazgorm's journal. Twinbraid talks in Krasarang about wanting to prevent the native pandaren from encroachment, but thats exactly what he and Bael'dun did to the tauren of the barrens. Copperblast (talk) 05:14, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Okay. People are still might fight about it.--SWM2448 05:26, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Fungal swamp

So I capitalized the 's'; details. If you were gonna move it, you could've added something else. Meganerd18 (talk) 06:15, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

On Warcraft III page splittings

I sort of wonder if there might be a more elegant solution for war3 pages that have have a bunch of related WoW info. Rather than just tagging them either through article name or template as "Warcraft III", maybe they could sit in their own sort of 'sub-wiki' where the url would go No idea how feasible this would be though. PIESofNORTH (talk) 17:35, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

I would only support the creation of a Gamepedia project on WarCraft III, but is there any need for it? Those pages have been here since the very beginning of WoWWiki.--Adûnâi (talk) 17:50, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
I do not think that a separation of that extent is needed. You could try to make another content portal (linked from the main page) for the RTS series. The RTS series was sort of skipped over the years of WoWWiki/Wowpedia's development. You will not find much for/about playing Warcraft III (a topic dear to me). I thank you for your hard work. As for my comment on the "Arcane Sanctum" page, it was about 1) there being an inconsistency, and 2) me actually liking that idea better.--SWM2448 18:50, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Vrykul page citations

Okay, so I went trawling for some possible citations. Tell me if you think these sound good:

Only asking because I tried editing the page today but it was lost because my laptop enforced an update-related shut-down, and I wanted to know if that was enough references to remove the label at the top of the page. --MadHatter121 (talk) 11:36, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

I will flesh it out if you do not.--SWM2448 03:27, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
Nah, I'll spare you the trouble. I'll go put them on the page.


Ho there!

What's the deal with the Earthen page? All the RPG info from other pages are separated so why not this one? Also, almost 10 RPG tags don't look very nice there. --Mordecay (talk) 19:38, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Factional Icons

A discussion is taking place at Forum:Neutral Faction Icons about these icons, please make your opinion known. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 19:14, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Re-checking, you're right, at Blizzcon they said they were working on explaining the Dragonmaw name in Warlords of Draenor, plans that got dropped obviously, and showed slides of the Dragonfly, so some(myself included) just assumed they meant the Dragonmaw named themselves after the Dragonflies. Anyhow we can just change the Trivia to note that they may have been inspired by Dragonlike creatures like the Ravager wasps or Draenor Chimeras. Copperblast (talk) 01:04, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Working on the Warcraft III articles together?

Greetings! Judging by your past interest in working on the Warcraft RTS articles, I was wondering if you would like to approach the next stage of improving the Warcraft III real-time strategy articles on Wowpedia together with myself and anyone else who might be interested?

Given the sheer size and scope of how many more units and buildings exist in Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos and Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne than in the previous RTS games, this seems like a project that should be handled by more than one person. So I was wondering if you had any specific plans or ideas for how to categorize and/or incorporate the numerous articles on buildings, units, etc. from the Warcraft III games into the website?

Let me know if you would be interested in discussing this topic further. Thanks. - Feeltriss (talk) 07:32, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Hey man! Don't know if anyone is up to it, but I'm also willing to help. The only thing is that right now I'm working on Warcraft 2-related stuff, but when I'm done with the old game I'll jump to Warcraft 3. Xporc (talk) 09:03, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Movie characters

Hi, now that Durotan is coming next week, I was thinking of what was previously said about the characters of the movieverse. Coobra agreed to have Name (movie) for their articles but I was thinking that with the expanded literature it could be Name (movie universe) (since some don't appear only in the movie). Thoughts?

Constant Revisions

I would like to ask that opinions and personal perspectives on controversial issues in the Lore on the Alliance-Horde War topics be left out. This is an information site, not a discussion forum. If you take issue with my wording, which I view as neutral, please take it up with me, first. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ultimaton100 (talk · contr).


What were the reasons of reverting my edits in the Quest:Volcanoth!? ([1])? Do we have any normal policy page where it would be written which kind of content is not wanted here? What else can be written in this project apart from just rephrasing the original game documentation? If nothing, what is the point of this project when the game documentation exists? If obviously would prefer to write some guidelines page, or point me to the existing one. Experience of the most of contributions reverted over time is not very encouraging. Maenin (talk) 09:54, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Re: Original research

Hi, thanks for the explanation. Since ShellShockLive has already reverted the same contribution in the past (and everyone else seemed fine with that), I just wanted to explain my point of view. Have a good day, Xnsyntfxynytnh (talk) 10:18, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Page for lore discussions

Unfortunately, I'm still having issues with User:ShellShockLive. The cause is a lore subject. I suggested to him to enlarge our discussion on the matter to other users, so I'm wondering: is there, in this website, a page dedicated to settle lore debates? Thanks for your help. --Xnsyntfxynytnh (talk) 19:50, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Discussing edits for a specific page generally go on that page's talk page. --Aquamonkeyeg (talk) 19:53, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Re: Lore debates

Thanks. --Xnsyntfxynytnh (talk) 12:06, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Typo account

I noticed that at times when logging on, I'd forgotten the capitalization of the "w" in my name. As such I have both User:Peterwind and User:PeterWind. Would it be possible to just have the two merged, or have my edits on Peterwind moved to PeterWind, and then having Peterwind deleted, to avoid confusion? PeterWind (talk) 09:41, 9 January 2017 (UTC)


What does this "Right now, Azeroth is Azeroth" mean ? That page was about Azeroth the titan/world-soul, not the planet. -- MyMindWontQuiet (talk) 01:00, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

And this comment probably has more content than the page did. Azeroth (world) and world-soul are enough until the planet becomes a character that is not one of those two things.--SWM2448 01:04, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
That is because that page was a stub. Wowpedia:Stub_policy
- Azeroth (world) is about the planet called Azeroth, as the name suggests, while that page was about the world-soul which already is a character. Its content would thus having nothing to do with Azeroth (world).
- world-soul has literally only 3 sentences about Azeroth as a world-soul.
The content of Azeroth (titan) would've had next to nothing in common with the two others above. Yes there would've been 3 sentences about its origins, but then it would've talked about other things, such as its interactions with Magni, how she told him about the Pillars of Creation, or the Emerald Dream, or its interaction with Sargeras himself who saw (or believed that he saw) her Eye and that it was magnificent and that he forged the Scepter of Sargeras so that it would look like it and so on and so on, for example, which aren't available anywhere else.
For these reasons I will ask you to undo this. -- MyMindWontQuiet (talk) 01:10, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
The stub policy says "Do not create pages containing a stub tag but absolutely no content". Your page barely avoided that rule. Perhaps create a sandbox page while your work is under construction.--SWM2448 01:13, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
I mean, technically it had content. The policy was talking about "a page of article management templates and empty sections", so literally no content. This had content, and was about to get more. The following paragraph says "Throughout Wowpedia are articles with little or no content that have been created with the intention of filling them in. These are referred to as stubs and are tagged specifically to tell visitors that they are, in fact, stubs.." which means that this was exactly the intended behavior.
So undo your action so it can be filled. -- MyMindWontQuiet (talk) 01:18, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
Are you going to fill in the content?--SWM2448 01:20, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
That is the intent. You also could've asked that before deleting the page with no warning. -- MyMindWontQuiet (talk) 01:21, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Mortar Team

Hello. I'd like to have the Mortar Team page moved to Mortar team instead, the capitalized T isn't required since it's a page about mortar teams in general, while the Mortar Team unit is properly capitalized already. Xporc (talk) 12:25, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

I don't get it but sure.--SWM2448 18:59, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
Thank you! Xporc (talk) 19:16, 10 February 2017 (UTC)