Forum:Game masters and lore

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Continuation from User_talk:Mordecay#GM.
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Whether the player's screenshots of a discussion with a GM who provided lore answers can be cited here. --Mordecay (talk) 20:34, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

The message seems legit, IMO Xporc (talk) 20:45, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

Even if it was a real GM, they don't really know any more than you do. They don't have the direct lines that you think.--SWM2448 20:54, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

My question regarding the removal of references linked to the image was more based on MyMindWontQuiet mentioning that the "GM" might not have been a legit GM to begin with (which makes it less viable than it already is ofc). I didn't really partake in the original convo so I have no idea. Hence I don't want to make any hasty removals. WarGodZajru (talk) 20:59, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

Yes, SWM, they may not know about lore as the other Blizzard employees, but what when the GM says he checked with lore guys? Mordecay (talk) 21:11, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

We have no way of verifying that.--SWM2448 21:14, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

My thoughts on the matter is this: Game Masters are not a reliable enough source of information. That's not to say a GM is never correct, just that it's easy to receive conflicting information (especially if it's info that isn't easily verifiable).

So I'm very reluctant to have the answers provided in that screenshot cited in Wowpedia's articles. Perhaps under a speculation section, but nowhere else until we can get confirmation from someone higher on up regarding those answers. -- Alayea (talk / contrib) 21:27, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

Even if that screenshot is of a real conversation, and the GM did indeed contact the appropriate lore authors, this screenshot is still not a valid source, for reasons already mentioned. The answers may well be "true", but if we don't have anything official, we can at best put it under speculation where it makes sense to include. PeterWind (talk) 02:56, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

IMO you guys are going too far in purging it from everywhere in the wiki. I'd suggest keeping it while properly explain why it may not be completely accurate. Xporc (talk) 07:24, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

By the way, I uploaded the screenshot there so you people can wrap it properly in warning texts. That way we can centralize properly its handling. Xporc (talk) 07:38, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

The way I see it, there's no real need to purge meaningful/reasonable statements entirely, but if there's no credible source, it probably should be placed under speculation, instead of just being removed. PeterWind (talk) 12:56, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Next time you guys go on a content removal spree, even if it's to put it under Speculation", I'd appreciate if you tried to be more careful about maintaining the proper content of the rest of the articles... Xporc (talk) 11:39, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

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Okay so, some new "info" about this subject and the screenshot in question. The supposed "game master" states Rokhan unofficially took leadership, yet Ion Hazzikostas is not backing this up by saying the Darkspear trolls are still figuring things out, and doesn't mention Rokhan once in the reference video, they also haven't really thought much about faction lore with the Legion still running amok. Aka, the screenshot might very well be false. – WarGodZajru (talk) 15:08, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

I'd appreciate if no one started going on a rampage on the related pages, at least not until tomorrow. It'll already be hard enough to check and validate the ~700 edits that were done on the wiki today (seriously, wtf?) Xporc (talk) 17:12, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

So essentially it sounds like more or less what we've been saying: Game Masters are not really reliable sources and we shouldn't be using them as a source for lore. I will note, though, that the Game Master being wrong does not necessarily make the screenshot false. -- DarkTZeratul (talk) 17:14, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Lmao, sure thing Xporc. :')

And of course, the SS might still be valid, but we don't know if it is or isn't. The less credible it ends up, the more false it feels to me. But yeh, could still be legit, won't deny that. – WarGodZajru (talk) 17:18, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

I was skimming through the screenshot again and noticed... the "GM" misspelled his own name... hmm.. intentional or not? :^) – WarGodZajru (talk) 20:32, 25 August 2017 (UTC)