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This vote is about what type of images should take precedence in Infoboxes. The two options describe different orders, should we have two usable images from different sources.

The essence of it is: Which of these two types of art should be chosen by preference?

  • Cinematic style art/screenshots (presumably taken from trailers, teasers, and the like) such as this, although the description also covers art such as these Cinematic images.
  • "Official art", from commissioned stand alone pieces, or cropped from sources such as Novel/RPG covers, comics, manga.

It remains unclear if only the "photo-realistic" art is intended.

Unable to reach majority required for policy proposals.

This vote began in 2009, and almost four years later, we're still not even close to having 3-to-1 support for either of the proposed options.
I'm going to resolve this as a failed policy change proposal. This means that whatever the current policies state about the subject of infobox images remains in effect (and as it likely isn't much, please continue to use your best judgement when editing articles).
If you feel strongly that artwork in infoboxes needs to be controlled at policy level, you can propose a new policy change in a new thread.
foxlit (talk) 01:48, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Vote

Option A
  • Cinematic Screenshots
  • Cinematic style art
  • Official color art (commisioned stand alone pieces, like those at sonsofthestorm.com)
  • Official b&w art (commisioned stand alone pieces, like those at sonsofthestorm.com)
  • Cropped color art from official sources (Novel/RPG covers, comics, manga)
  • Cropped b&w art from official sources (Novel/RPG covers, comics, manga)
  • In-game screenshots
  • Other (action figures, statues, etc...)
  • Wowpedia:Nopics

Votes A:

  1. Option A Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 16:22, 12 August 2009 (UTC) - (see below)
  2. Option A SWM2448 19:49, 12 August 2009 (UTC) - (While a little restrictive, votes rarely work if there are more than two choices, so I am fine with it. "Option A" is closest to what I said before way back when, so I vote for that. However, there should be an ugliness exception of some kind (unless the subject is ugly, as it is about accurate representation).)
  3. Option A Warthok Talk Contribs 20:44, 13 August 2009 (UTC) - (I'm in favor of photo realistic images personaly)
  4. Option A Lon-ami (talk) 19:12, October 30, 2009 (UTC) - (Cinematic images are the most realistic imo, but I think that, in the end, the best image should be taken, no matter its origin. By best I mean the one that better portrays the character and his current situation.)
  5. Option A Syrra Coventry (talk) 15:08, July 27, 2010 (UTC) - (I'd have to say, given the position of using manga and comic art in Option B, that Option A is the better way to go. However, in any art option, the one that best represents the character or object/location should be the preferred image to use, even if such is a matter of perception based on artistic taste.)
  6. Option A Deludo (T If silence is golden why arent monks richCSpecial:Editcount/Deludo Peasents employed to do the work for me so far) 22:54, 25 November 2011 (UTC) - (Surely if this is a Wiki about things from Warcraft the best choice for picture would be the most accurate for the particular page it refers to, something in a game a picture from there ifs from a book then an image from the pubication)
  7. Option A IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 08:44, 8 December 2011 (UTC) - (CGI cinematics and "in-game" cinematic are the best quality we can have. But as a wiki, we should use the lastest picture refering to the current state of the character)
  8. Option A Aliok (talk) 23:37, 19 May 2013 (UTC) - (I am ok with this as a general guideline, but the 'best' picture - one that most accurately reflects the current state - should always be used, whether cinematic or artwork.)
Option B
  • Official color art (commisioned stand alone pieces, like those at sonsofthestorm.com)
  • Official b&w art (commisioned stand alone pieces, like those at sonsofthestorm.com)
  • Cropped color art from official sources (Novel/RPG covers, comics, manga)
  • Cropped b&w art from official sources (Novel/RPG covers, comics, manga)
  • Cinematic style art
  • Cinematic Screenshots
  • In-game screenshots
  • Other (action figures, statues, etc...)
  • Wowpedia:Nopics

Votes B:

  1. Option B Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:29, 13 August 2009 (UTC) - (see below)
  2. Option B Fandyllic 18:18, 17 August 2009 (UTC) - (Call me old school.)
  3. Option B IconSmall DrakeAzure.gif Drazisil (t/c) 04:59, June 6, 2010 (UTC) - (I prefer the art over the cinematics)
  4. Option B PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!C207,729 contributions and counting) 21:13, June 6, 2010 (UTC) - (Pretty sure cinematic screenshots should just be called "in-game" screenshots)
  5. Option B  gilmoreja—You've got to start what you finish—Talk!on!—You've got to start what you finish—Sareine talks.gif—You've got to start what you finish— 19:07, 9 November 2010 (UTC) - (Agree with Coobra and Pcj.)

Comments

So with the recent changes to the Garona article the issue of which image should be used for the infobox came up. I went search for answers in the policy pages and found this in Wowpedia talk:Lore policy#Infobox_arts. It was proposed by Baggins and Ragestorm agreed with it.

  • 1. Cinematic Screenshot
  • 2. Official colored art, followed by official B&W art (exception being if B&W is of higher quality, or better detail. This comes down to whichever is more aesthetically pleasing, and best accuracy to source material.)
  • 3. Ingame model (including models from previous games) (only if the NPC has a special unique model for itself)
  • 4. Ingame (WoW) non-unique model screenshot.

That being said it was never adopted as official policy. On Groms page he commented he perfered the photo-realistic images of the cinematics (Talk:Grom_Hellscream#Image). But later in articles such as Thrall the cinematic images were replaced with official art (Even Grom's was for a while i believe). Baggins later commented he perfered seeing official art in the infobox instead of model art (Talk:Thrall#Infobox_image). Personaly i think an official policy needs to be adopted. I propose the following priorities for infoboxes. Either

Option A

  • Cinematic Screenshots
  • Cinematic style art
  • Official color art (commisioned stand alone pieces, like those at sonsofthestorm.com)
  • Official b&w art (commisioned stand alone pieces, like those at sonsofthestorm.com)
  • Cropped color art from official sources (Novel/RPG covers, comics, manga)
  • Cropped b&w art from official sources (Novel/RPG covers, comics, manga)
  • In-game screenshots
  • Other (action figures, statues, etc...)
  • Wowpedia:Nopics

or

Option B

  • Official color art (commisioned stand alone pieces, like those at sonsofthestorm.com)
  • Official b&w art (commisioned stand alone pieces, like those at sonsofthestorm.com)
  • Cropped color art from official sources (Novel/RPG covers, comics, manga)
  • Cropped b&w art from official sources (Novel/RPG covers, comics, manga)
  • Cinematic style art
  • Cinematic Screenshots
  • In-game screenshots
  • Other (action figures, statues, etc...)
  • Wowpedia:Nopics

Exceptions made of course for lore accuracy or quality of picture (good b&w over a bad color). What does everyone think? any better priority rankings?--Warthok Talk Contribs 03:32, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

I would go for the Option A, because most times the cinematics give the better quality images and show the character most likely how Blizzard images it in real life, however few exceptions can be applied because of the quality of the picture. Also thanks for the research I didn't knew about that. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 03:45, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
For proposed policy changes, please use the Wowpedia:Policy status phases process. You can advertise your proposal here on the forums of course. Most likely the Wowpedia talk:Lore policy#Infobox_arts never made it into the policy because it didn't go throught the process or an admin wasn't willing to champion it (admins can amend policy by caveat, although it s frowned upon without consensus from the other admins). --Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 5:12 PM PST 20 Jul 2009

Could we get an explanation of what "Cinematic style art" means exactly? --Gengar orange 22x22.pngBeware the sneaky smile! Fandyllic (talk · contr) 1:33 PM PST 12 Aug 2009

If by cinematic images they mean like some of these Cinematic images I'm going to have to go with option B. I think artwork can capture the essence of the person better than the limited styles of cinematic images. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:28, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Cinematic screenshots i was refering to screen captures from the finished cinematics like this. Cinematic style art should be more properly called computer generated art or photo realistic art such as this and this.Warthok Talk Contribs 20:40, 13 August 2009 (UTC)


I have to vote "Meh". Also, since this is a policy vote, I thought it kinda important to have the description of the issue at the top of the page instead of buried in the comments. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 23:07, July 28, 2010 (UTC)