Or Against Us

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NeutralOr Against Us
Start Vanthir
End Arluin
Level 110 (Requires 110)
Category Suramar
Reputation +75 The Nightfallen
Previous N [110] The Perfect Opportunity
Next N [110] Death Becomes Him


Speak to Arluin.

  • Ask Arluin for Help
  • Arluin Paid


If Ly'leth is to achieve the role of advisor to the Grand Magistrix we will need to open a path for her.

It is true she will have some supporters but they alone cannot grant her the title.

There are other houses that Ly'leth must contend with. Fear and coercion are their tools. None dare stand against them openly, and we cannot win them over with favors and oaths.

Seek out Arluin. I trust he will have some ideas of how to proceed.


You will receive:
Inv misc coin 17.png [Enchanted Nightborne Coin]


Yes, I know why you are here. Yes, I can get the job done. No, it will not be free.


Very well. Let us talk strategy.



Gossip We need your help 'persuading' some noble houses to support Ly'leth's bid for advisor. Are you in?

Arluin says: Is that what she's up to? Brave girl. I'd be delighted to help, but...

Gossip Offer: 1200x [Ancient Mana]

This action will remove 1200 Ancient Mana. Do you want to continue?

On completion:

Arluin says: Always a pleasure. Do things my way and she'll be advisor before dinner.


  1. N [110] The Perfect Opportunity
  2. Complete all of:
    • House Astravar
    1. N [110] Either With Us
    2. N [110G] Thinly Veiled Threats
    3. N [110] Vote of Confidence
    • Arluin
    1. N [110] Or Against Us
    2. N [110] Death Becomes Him
    3. N [110G] Rumor Has It
  3. N [110] In the Bag
  4. N [110] Ly'leth's Champion (grants Statecraft achievement credit)
  5. N [110] Friends With Benefits
  6. N [110D] The Arcway: Opening the Arcway & N [110D] Court of Stars: Beware the Fury of a Patient Elf & N [110D] The Arcway: Long Buried Knowledge

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