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Titans or Giants?

Shadows & Light specifically states that Aesir and Vanir are types of titans, but the Tribunal of Ages event suggests that this is actually a classification of Giants. Unless new evidence that will clear the issue is presented it may be valid to include the Tribunal's information in these pages. Amirw (talk) 17:10, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

I am just speculating, but it seems to me this does not contradict, but rather expand what can be an Aesir. The Aesir work with oceans and skies while the Vanir work with mountains and deep places and both made different types of giants to help. I thing these types now count.--SWM2448 17:36, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Point of note the RPG's definition of Aesir and Vanir didn't originate from the RPG, it originates originally from the Warcraft III manual, and you can also find an edited version of that material in an in-game book, and the History of Warcraft website.

Edit: Rechecked those sources while it hinted at the metalic beings and brief references to at least one type of metal (bronze), it didn't specifically refer to the terms "aesir" and "vanir". However it did call the Titans, "giants"Baggins (talk) 17:52, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

About sandwich's comment, it could be that the words are simply some cool Titan phrases for Storm or Earth, but it's atleast noteworthy that two different beings being are being referenced with the same terms. Amirw (talk) 19:00, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

I disagree that they are seperate beings. First off we already knew that "Titans" are said to be giants. We knew that they come in two different varieties, Aesir and Vanir. This tribunal points out that Protectors were "appointed" it seems to be saying they were appointed from the Titans, from the Aesir and Vanir. But it also seems to be giving us definitions to the terms as well, Storm and Earth. So what we are seeing are lesser titans, imo. Not the Pantheon themselves but their underlings. We already knew of these non Pantheon titans from the S&L, they got their own stat pages.Baggins (talk) 19:03, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
Also, the fact that Storm giants are fleshy does not mean they are not lesser titans, as they may have been afflicted with the Curse of Flesh.--SWM2448 19:30, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
I think this means that truly metallic "stone giants" (not the stone watcher, stone keeper varieties) like Maiden of Virtue, Maiden of Grief, etc might be uncorrupted lesser Vanir & Aesir (depending on metal color), that stayed back on the world as protectors, and perhaps were corrupted by outside forces into dark titans. ...or at least for some overly protective against the incursions of intruders.Baggins (talk) 19:36, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps, but when a race that is made of metal makes golemish things in their image, it is hard to see where one begins and one ends. The model files say they can be bronze, ivory, gold, and a generic one that seems platinum. Ones like Archaedas are obviously stone.--SWM2448 19:43, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
The problem with the generic ones in game is that they seem to appear in two different kinds of metals, body and clothing.
Bronze and platinum appear to be the greatest of the titan subspecies, but S&L implies there might be others. Ivory and gold, and iron (Ironaya)? At least for Archaedas and Archeras we know they aren't titans for sure.Baggins (talk) 19:55, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Merge with Storm Giant?

I think the Warcraft Chronicle, and much of Ulduar, is pretty blunt about who's who in this situation. Aesir command the power of storm, so they would be Gymer's race, the storm giants. And the Vanir would be the stone giants like Archavon (the 'mountain giants' still undetermined). Don't really need separate pages for all four anymore. Meganerd18 (talk) 00:21, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

No, they are now the metal watchers.--SWM2448 00:24, 10 October 2016 (UTC)


What about merging this with vanir ? The pages have the exact same content. The page could be called "Aesir and Vanir" and we'd just redirect to it whenever one needs to link to one of them. Or rather with Titan-forged. Titan-forged originally designates vanir and aesir, so technically there's not much point dividing "titan-forged" and "aesir/vanir". The entire content of vanir and aesir pages is basically one or two sentences. -- MyMindWontQuiet (talk) 23:20, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Why not. As long as the RPG information is not deleted. Xporc (talk) 23:22, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
Of course. Could fit nicely at the bottom of the titan-forged article. -- MyMindWontQuiet (talk) 23:30, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
Are any of the Aesir and Vanir anything besides watchers (and keepers)?--SWM2448 00:12, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
Nope, they're all watchers.
I believe they're synonyms: aesir and vanir are just categories of watchers; all aesir/vanir are watchers, but watchers are either aesir of vanir. Which also matches their mythological inspiration. -- MyMindWontQuiet (talk) 04:04, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
This is how i understood it too: aesir and vanir are just fancy words to say if the titanic watchers were made out of stone or not. Then the titanic watchers themselves created the titan-forged base troops (earthen, vrykul, etc.) Xporc (talk) 09:34, 4 March 2017 (UTC)