Talk:Blood mage

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Kael'thas class

when you look at what class Kael is, it says he's a Blood Mage, in parenthesis it says mage, warlock. Does that mean Blood Mage is a combination of the mage and warlock classes? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mr.X8 (talk · contr).

Well not necessarily. He was a blood mage before he embraced fel magicks, so I would say no. However, he could be a warlock now, or integrate demonic magic into his repertoire. Pzychotix 02:12, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh, so then does anyone know what the Blood Mages are like? Are they just Blood Elf mages or something else. Or are they a combination class. Maybe theyre like mages that use fire magic. Or is this just a class no one knows about. Mr.X8 18:12, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

I think these are a class of their own.--SWM2448 18:25, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
The article here describes them fairly well, and you can play them in WC3:TFT to get a feel for what they're all about. They use primarily fire magic such as Flame Strike, can siphon magical energies, and can summon phoenixes; they are also willing to tap into fel magics. They posses Verdant Spheres, floating artifacts that absorb portions of the souls of demons that the blood mage kills, strengthening their owner. The movements of the Verdant Spheres also reflect the mood of their owner. They presumably wear enchanted plate armor, and if Kael is any example, may also be adapt at using swords (though, in TFT, they simply use their Verdant Spheres as ranged projectiles). Suzaku 05:46, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Adam C Loyd, one of the WoW RPG developers, wrote them up as a Warlock-variant. Since it's still unpublished material that is, as of yet, unofficial, though. But I guess you won't find anything more official on this question than that. --Tulon 06:20, 31 October 2007
Sadly, Adam Loyd may not actually work for White Wolf anymore, there was some kind of debacle, internet issues, and he lost his job, no clue if he got it back. He may be working somewhere else now.
In anycase his opinion isn't anymore official than a fan's theory would be, unless it actually got published (Adam was also very careful to state something of that sort on his site, "All work here is done on my own time and should not be considered official."). Also alot of the material was on his site long before he became an employee of white wolf.
In anycase, the RPG had Kael as a "wizard/fighter, warrior/mage" (dependent on which version of the game) in order to emulate the Blood Mage abilities. Basically, not a warlock, but connection through mage's elemental summoning (but warlock would be a good idea for an updated version). If blood mage was to be released who knows what it would be now, however, probably be a prestige class with ability to come out of several classes probably.
We may never know, if white wolf is no longer making the game.Baggins 08:07, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
The Blood Mage article was done when he still worked for the company. Additionally, from what I've heard he just has no internet anymore atm, but he said he's back on work. Also, very, very much of the content on his page has actually made it into official sources (naturally, since he was an author of them), and as such he had an in-depth knowledge of lore we do not possess and was able to simply call Blizzard's CDT if he had any questions.
That said: yes, it is nothing official - but it does have considerably more weight than anything written by a mere fan. I think it would be worthy to at least been put into the article as a speculation.
I still hope that the line is not yet dead, but the utter silence from WW makes me worry a bit. --Tulon 05:00, 2 November 2007

Unpublished developer fan concept

"Despite the moniker, Blood Magi are actually warlocks. The typical Blood Mage walks onto the field with an air of superiority, waving his hand and casting burning curses upon his enemies. While a Blood Mage still may summon demons to serve him, he is much more comfortable with summoning hellish flames, much like a hellcaller."

- Adam C. Loyd (WoW RPG dev) on Blood Mages on his unofficial fan website.[1]

--Baggins 10:48, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Blood Mages in World of Warcraft

Assuming that the title "Bloodmage" indicates that one is a Blood Mage, I have added Lynnore and Drazial to the list of other Blood Mages. --Paulus 15:02, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Hale Magefire and Kelen the Destroyer got removed

These names were removed from the list of Blood Magi by user:DarkTZeratul. What are the reasons? Wouldn't it be better to revert the change?--Adûnâi (talk) 23:44, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Hale Magefire does not exist as a character, only as a random name and a staff. Kelen the Destroyer isn't even that; the link was to a page for a rogue named Kelen that for some reason had a note talking about the random blood mage hero name, Kelen the Destroyer. -- DarkTZeratul (talk) 01:00, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
Personally, I would suggest that when there is a staff, there should be a man (or an elf in our case), but I see your point, so I just added them both to the Other Blood Magi section.--Adûnâi (talk) 02:40, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
They're already listed under random hero names of Blood Mage. -- DarkTZeratul (talk) 02:55, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Edits by user Djemerez

I'm against the changes done be user:Djemerez. First, he/she fiercely avoids the use of the word "water" in relation to the Sunwell which I cannot understand (the Sunwell is a fountain of power, after all). Second, he/she is ardent in mentioning Varanis Bitterstar as a blood mage even though there is no non-speculative account of this. Moreso, he is a WoW TCG character (i.e. non-canon), and even there his class is a Mage. Therefore, I'm asking to revert the changes made by this user.--Adûnâi (talk) 07:07, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

It is true that the Sunwell is a "well" and "fountain" of power, but as far as I know this is only metaphorically and it actually involves no water. The version of it we see in-game in World of Warcraft seems to support this, as it includes no water but rather glowing energy. As for Varanis Bitterstar, it is true that it is only speculated that he is a Blood Mage and not a hundred percent confirmed, but he is one of the few cases where we see a blood elf using verdant spheres other than Kael'thas. I think that is relevant enough to warrant being mentioned in the page, in a speculation section no less. Also, TCG knowledge is very much relevant, see Timewalkers. Djemerez (talk) 07:14, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
The Sunwell does involve water as it was created with the vial of water from the Well of Eternity. It is a fount. You can see it here before its destruction. Varanis Bitterstar is indeed the only other person using Verdant Spheres, but this fact contradicts Blood of the Highborne which states that this artifact is in fact Mooncrystals. As far as I'm aware, books have higher priority than TCG, therefore Kael'thas' Verdant Spheres are the only of their kind.--Adûnâi (talk) 07:32, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
You are correct about the Sunwell being created from the vial of water from the Well of Eternity, I should have made the connection. I'll edit in the waters part. Blood of the Highborne states Kael'thas' verdant spheres were made from the Mooncrystals, but does it mention that they are the only verdant spheres in existence? Warcraft III had randomly generated blood mage heroes with functional verdant spheres, and the video games most likely have a higher priority than both books and the TCG. Djemerez (talk) 07:37, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Blood mages vs blood-using mages

I think it's fairly apparent that Kasim Sharim and the blood elf siblings in the Blasted Lands are not "blood mages" as in "blood elf mages who use fire magic", but "blood mages" as in "mages who use blood". I'm thinking it would be best to make an entirely new page for the second kind, but I'm not sure what that would be named. "Blood mage (blood magic-user)"? "Blood mage (the non-blood elf fire mage kind)"? -- IconSmall TrollDeathKnight Male.gif DeludedTroll (talkcontribs) 16:38, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Well, there is a pattern I've been considering for a while now. It seems to me that characters who are titled "Blood Mage" are more often the type that use fel magic (the classic, Warcraft III blood mages) and characters who are titled "Bloodmage" are more often the type that use actual blood. This is clear in Kasim Sharim, Bloodmage Drazial and Bloodmage Lynnore as you mentioned. It is also arguably apparent in Bloodmage Laurith and her deceased helper Bloodmage Alkor; who are studying bloodspores in Borean Tundra which are similar to actual blood. It is also worth noting Bloodmage Thalnos did not fit into this pattern, but he had his title changed. Then again, this is mostly speculation on my part, as such most likely does not warrant naming a page after. Djemerez (talk) 18:44, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
How about something like this? Though I'm noticing that the pages for blood, anima and life overlap somewhat. Might be best to merge all that information onto one page. -- IconSmall TrollDeathKnight Male.gif DeludedTroll (talkcontribs) 13:55, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
As for your latter point, it is rambling and speculative nonsense that was all written by the same person.--SWM2448 22:06, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

A guy from the forums asked Micky Neilson about Blood Mages in WC3 and WoW. Micky Neilson responded that they're interchangeable, in his opinion. Thoughts? Is it worth to implement this in the article, and in what fashion?--Adûnâi (talk) 01:57, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

That doesn't really make sense to me, considering the WC3 blood mages seem to be exclusively blood elves, and there is zero mention of them using actual blood magic. He does say that it's just his opinion, though.
Unfortunately, according to the Scrolls of Lore forum posters, there is no mention of blood magic in Chronicle, so I guess we can't really expect to get any clarification there either. Maybe there will be some more information in Volume 3, which will supposedly deal with the Third War. -- IconSmall TrollDeathKnight Male.gif DeludedTroll (talkcontribs) 06:44, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
Hey guys, I started working on a blood magic page when I saw your discussion here. So DeludedTroll, I added what you did in the new page, Blood magic! Xporc (talk) 21:20, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

I agree with you, the situation is unclear, because the blood magic can be simply a specialisation field for blood mage exactly like shadow for priest. Dawn80818 (talk) 17:02, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Periods

Why are there two periods in the sentence about the redirect?--Adûnâi (talk) 08:01, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

Because there are too many fields.--SWM2448 08:06, 13 November 2016 (UTC)