Talk:Council of Six

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This really needs to broken down by source.Baggins (talk) 07:18, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Day of the Dragon clearly confirms the membersip of Drenden, Modera and Krasus (Drenden here being a proto-Antonidas)
Road to Damnation features Drenden, Modera, Antonidas, Kael, and Kel'Thuzad, though none of their positions, apart from Antonidas's, are clearly defined.
Tides of Darkness explicitly confirms the membership as (I think) Drenden, Modera, Antonidas, Kael'thas, Krasus, and Kel'Thuzad.
Wrath of the Lich King explicitly confirm's Modera's position.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 14:18, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Vereesa

Would Vereesa be a possibly member of this council,I know she isn't a Mage but she is with the council (yes I know she's Rhonin's lover). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Senoj (talk · contr).

I seriously doubt it, mostly because of the whole "she isn't a mage" part. Being married to a member of the council doesn't automatically make you a member of the council as well. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 19:40, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I think he's a major role on the Kirin Tor, as the leader of a big part of its military, but I doubt he's inside The Six.--Lon-ami (talk) 19:49, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
Vareesa isn't affliated with the Kirin Tor in anyway, she's just Rhonin's wife. The council is composed of Mages, not Rangers. So characters like Rhonin, Modera, Krasus, and Aethas might be current members since they are mages (Dalaran being a magocratic society) but I doubt Vareesa is eligible (she might be an advisor to Rhonin though, which might explain why she's in the Violet Citadel). I haven't read much of the books to say that she is leader of Dalaran's military (I'd assume Rhonin would be in charge), but the Silver Covenant are a militant group of high elves who just hate blood elves for the fel magic thing (and ingame reasons). I could be wrong though.--Mtrais (talk) 19:57, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Ansirem Runeweaver

Ansirem was confirmed as a member in In the Shadow of the Sun, why do we list him as possible? DeSatyr (talk) 21:54, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Also confirmed on Tides of War novel ("There was also Archmage Ansirem Runeweaver. He's rarely in Dalaran, always off on secret missions."). --Petrovic (talk) 11:06, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

The "Possible Members" section

Now that we know all six on the council, should this part be taken out of the article? Reign (talk) 07:55, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Some of them might theoretically have been previous members... But since the entire section is pure speculation anyway, since none of them seem to have any evidence for it besides being "prominent" (and I use that term loosely) mages, I'm gonna have to agree. I'll axe it. Someone can always pull it back out of the history if a particularly compelling argument is made otherwise. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 08:18, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Seven members?

I'm just wondering, I haven't read the ToW book yet, but since there appears to be six current members, doesn't that mean that there were seven members while Rhonin was still alive? Or were Karlain or Jaina there to replace him? --CogHammer.gifDoomeЯ TBattlegroup RoundIcon.pngC 19:57, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Jaina replaced Rhonin after he died. Karlain was number 6 while Rhonin was alive.Reign (talk) 02:40, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
Oh okay, thanks! --CogHammer.gifDoomeЯ TBattlegroup RoundIcon.pngC 07:31, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

the six now

http://i.imgur.com/ohdkFVk.jpg -- kayruz31

Unidentified members

Tides of Darkness identifies Kael, Kel'Thuzad, Krasus, Antonidas, a pudgy man, and a tall, statuesque woman. Considering the time-period, the woman should be Modera. Day of the Dragon notes the Six:

  1. Bearded man with stentorian voice (later identified as Drenden)
  2. Elderly woman of strong will (later identified to be Modera)
  3. Corpulent man (should be same as pudgy man in ToD)
  4. Young woman who is less experienced than the others
  5. Elf (Kael or Krasus)
  6. Slim, lanky figure (later identified as Krasus).

--Aquamonkeyeg (talk) 20:50, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

In going over this list again, I noticed Antonidas is inexplicably absent from the Council during Day of the Dragon (Year 10). He was part of it in Tides of Darkness (Year 6). But he's back on the Council in Road to Damnation (Year 18) and during WC3 (Year 20). --Aquamonkeyeg (talk) 03:30, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Couldn't he be the corpulent man? --Mordecay (talk) 09:39, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Tides of Darkness introduces Antonidas as "tall and cadaverously thin, with a long, gray-streaked brown beard and mustache and matching bushy eyebrows, his bald head covered by a gold-edged skullcap." The fat guy was a separate person from Antonidas in that book. Rise of the Lich King also describes him as thin: "He was a tall man, seeming all the taller because of his extremely thin build. His long beard now had much more gray than brown in it, and his head was completely bald, but his eyes were alert and piercing." --Aquamonkeyeg (talk) 16:20, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Oh, right. Is it worth a note on Antonidas page? --Mordecay (talk) 16:24, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Heh, Kel'Thuzad is also missing during DotD, he and Antonidas are replaced by Drenden and the young woman. Road to Damnation has Antonidas, Drenden, Modera, and Kel'Thuzad. This leaves a spot for Kael, and another likely for either the fat man or young woman. I would put Kel'Thuzad's and Antonidas' absence from the Council in their pages for completeness. --Aquamonkeyeg (talk) 16:45, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

I realize this is a necro of epic proportions, but after several years this lore issue has not been resolved. Shouldn't this inconsistency have a place on the Council of Six article? I would suggest a point in the Notes going along the lines of "It is unclear exactly who were members of the Council during and after the Second War, with Antonidas and Kel'Thuzad appearing as members before and after the events of the Day of the Dragon, but not during." The current wording addressing the issue is "Antonidas - Leader of the Kirin Tor during the Second War. Absent after the war." which makes it sound like this has been explained, when in reality it might as well be a lore oversight. Poweroverwhelming (talk) 21:46, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
Since Day of the Dragon is old as fuck, I think we should discard what it has to say on this point. Xporc (talk) 12:40, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
Definitely not discard it entirely, but pointed out in a notes section. --Mordecay (talk) 13:00, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Krasus

When he left the Council, did he leave the Kirin Tor as well? --Mordecay (talk) 21:21, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

No. He was still part of the Kirin Tor.
"My thanks. I hope, of course, to keep abreast of all news of import, I promise you...."
He raised his hand in farewell as the spell he cast transported him away from the Chamber of the Air. Korialstrasz's parting words were truer than even the other wizards might have realized. As one of the Kirin Tor—even one absent from the council—he most definitely planned to watch the political maneuverings. Despite "Lord Prestor's" disappearance, potentially devastating squabbles remained between the various kingdoms, Alterac again one of the foremost topics. His duties for Dalaran demanded Korialstrasz maintain watch.

--Aquamonkeyeg (talk) 05:17, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Ah, okay. I should probably finish that damned book! :D --Mordecay (talk) 13:26, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Alternate names

I found "high council of magi" (lower case) in Tides of War. --Aquamonkeyeg (talk) 15:38, 28 August 2016 (UTC)