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It would be nice to see somekind of reference for this Troll becomes Night Elf lineage... No offense to the Trolls. ;-)

--- Fandyllic

Dark Elves

I took out the reference to "Dark Elves" because there aren't any in Warcraft. Sylvannas is just an undead High Elf.

--Bevans (FeldmanSkitzoid) 14:41, 22 Nov 2005 (EST)
There are 'dark elves' in scholomance...but they might be undead as well, no one really knows --Bas 19:54, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Well, I didn't think there would ever be a direct reference to the term "dark elves", but I did find a reference to dark elves in Day of the Dragon.Baggins 22:45, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
In the german version of the book they are not called "Dunkelelfen" (german for Dark Elves), just as "dunkle Elfen", describing their skin colour. I always assumed that those are the Night Elves and Rhonin didn't know that term. Regarding the little background information of dark elfes I would say that they are in fact the night elves.. --LemonBaby (talk) 19:50, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Crack Elf

Does anyone know more about that? I think its some kind of corupted Elf. http://s111.photobucket.com/albums/n147/jnklnoi/crackelf.jpg

That's simply the data file name for Blood Elves who've let themselves be consumed by their physical desire for magic. Basically, it's both a joke and a serious side-effect, like a crack addict who's overdosed and gone into painful withdrawls. "Crack Elves", or the "Wretched Ones," can be found all over The Ruins of Silvermoon(left of The Dead Scar and Silvermoon City). A captured Wretched One can also be seen in Falconwing Square. ~ Doc Lithius (U)(T)(C) 16:22, 18 March 2007 (EDT)
THink of magic as meth, and you've got a similar effect. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 20:40, 18 March 2007 (EDT)

Tolkien

While I'm fully prepared to accept that Warcraft's elves do draw influences from Tolkien's redition (virtually all elves in modern fantasy do), I'm less certain that we need a huge section that A) summarizes about a third of The Silmarillion and B) implies that Warcraft elves are direct adaptations of Tolkien's. I'm in favor of trimming down and rewording the section extensively. Any thoughts?--Ragestorm 15:21, 10 December 2006 (EST)

High Elves

I was wondering since the High Elves are good, non-demonic, on the Alliance side and technically a different species if they could have a different section in the Notable People section then with the Blood Elves.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mr.X8 (talk · contr).

Sounds like a good idea... The only problem is when a noteable blood elf was once a noteable high elf :p...Baggins 19:37, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Ooh, you're right, I guess they should go under Blood Elves since they are currently Blood Elves. Or I would think that but maybe not.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mr.X8 (talk · contr).

Also, blizzard themselves group them in the same encyclopedia articles; and blood elves aren't demonic. And sign your posts, please. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 22:24, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Then are they staying in 1 group or are we going to split them. All I'm just saying is its easier for someone who wants to see the High Elf's or Blood Elf's article then to seeing who's the High Elf and who's the Blood Elf when theyre in the same group. Mr.X8 15:54, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

They stay together, because all blood elves used to be high elves. There probably are a few born as blood elves, but they'd still be kids. Plural of "elf" is "elves."--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 20:41, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Come on, everyone that knows what an elf is knows elves is plural for elf. Mr.X8 03:36, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Then use it, please. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 11:23, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Highborne

Are there offical sources that say that the Highborne are a separate race? In the time of the WotA, they were simply the upper class magic users of night elf society, with no real physical difference(Dath'remar had light skin, that was more of an individual thing). After most of them broke off and became high elves, things become more blury, as some retain the physical appearance of night elves but are classified as high elves for philosofical reasons. But I haven't personally seen anything that lables them as a race unto themselves, though if anyone can prove me wrong on this, please do.Tweak the Whacked 07:41, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Are there are official sources? Yes, the citations are already given in the highborne page. Infact according to Lands of Conflict at the time of War of the Ancients, at that time the high elves were still physically the same as the night elves, yet despite their physical appearance the Kaldorei were already divided along racial lines into the night elves and the “highborn” elves. In Warcraft RPG, [note 1] According to Shadows & Light, "They had been transformed by the magic flowing through their veins".[note 2]" According to warcraft rpg, Once a night elf learned to use arcane spellcasting, he suffered a painful transformation that stripped away his native night elf abilities and replaced them with high elf racial abilities. The complete change occured within the space of a week and could not be reversed once its started.[note 3] Although stripped of his racial heritage, his physical attributes did not change.[note 4] "physical attributes" = physical appearance. Baggins 07:59, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
  1. ^ Arthaus. Lands of Conflict, 17. ISBN 9781588469601. 
  2. ^ Arthaus. Shadows & Light, 76. ISBN 9781588469731. 
  3. ^ Arthaus. Warcraft: The Roleplaying Game, 45. ISBN 9781588460714. 
  4. ^ Arthaus. Warcraft: The Roleplaying Game, 57. ISBN 9781588460714. 

Felbloods

It might be good to add info and especially update that elves picture with felbloods. --Nurizeko

Scholomance Elf

The elves wandering about scholomance. We have them listed as High elves. they do have some resemblance to Sylvanas, but as far as i know they're not undead. could they be the darkened elves? A little clarificaton would be nice. Meneldir 05:13, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Image:Scholomance Neophyte.png.

They're high elves that are working with the Scourge. That's simply the old high elf model, because for some reason they never replaced the Scholomance mobs with the new ones. -- Dark T Zeratul 05:37, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Funny, they updated Instructor Malicia. Still, even for back before 2.0 then it's different enough.Meneldir 16:21, 12 March 2008 (Utc)

Dire Maul

I don't see the Dire Maul type of spectre elves in that picture which has the elves next to each other. Rolandius (talk) 05:07, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Other Elves

After the War of the Ancients all the night elves we know of ended up in Kalimdor. Yet in the trilogy it specifically mentions elves who fled in other directions as well, which means after the Sundering some of them would have ended up in the Eastern Kingdoms or Northrend. Anyone got any ideas as to what might have happened to them, since as far as I know tthey aren't mentioned anywhere. Jormungand01 (talk) 15:25, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Elf plus Elf

Since half-elves are a union between elves or half elves with half elves or a non-elf race, what do you call something like a night elf/high elf, night elf/blood elf, or high elf/blood elf? I know they may not exist, but some of the half-elf races do not exist and we still have articles on them. Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 09:36, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Can you give an example of a race that doesn't exists and have an article? Or do you mean the half-ogre mage and the like who are theorical but have sources?
If you mean the later then I would say: Because it is teorized by the in-universe characters, and the night elf/blood elf or high elf/blood elf have never been mentioned. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 19:08, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Half-night elf and Half-blood elf. Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 04:58, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
I didn't mean we should have an article about those two kinds, I was just wondering if they could exist in theory or if there is an example somewhere of one existing that I missed.

Undead elf

We should create an Undead elf page. (Hallowseve15 (talk) 17:56, 25 July 2009 (UTC))

I do not think there is enough lore on generic undead elves.--SWM2448 21:00, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
There isn't enough lore on Half-blood elves, yet we still have a page with them. Besides, I just partialy made a page about Undead elves. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Andreioplst (talk · contr).

What about the Undead high elves under the service of the Lich King. Forgot their name...the blood suckers.Gorvar (talk) 08:24, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

You need to add sources. Without them the article should probably have to be deleted, first of all you don't even give a source telling that they are called "undead elf", unlike half-blood elves who have a source to call them like that. I have added the tag of source needed, I hope you add them as most information seems to be from official sources. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 15:54, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

I will be deleting the page, since every race can have an undead version... doesn't mean they get a full page dedicated to them. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 18:41, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

No undead tuskarr page, then? --Super Bhaal (talk) 21:23, September 6, 2009 (UTC)
Right... and no undead trolls (except for Scourge troll, since they have sources) and no undead quilboars. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 21:41, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

The Flame Elves

I support them as a sub-race. But I was wondering other's opinions. Thoughts? Ideas? Inv helmet 44.pngInv helmet 119.png High Warlord MoneygruberTheGoblinChieftain of the Gentleman Tribe (talk contribs) 01:01, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

How are they even remotely a subrace? They're a subclass of druid. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 01:08, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
Psysical Changes to the body. Flame elves isn't a canon name so that needs to be fixed. But they've gone through the changes a Blood elf did to a Fel Elf. Inv helmet 44.pngInv helmet 119.png High Warlord MoneygruberTheGoblinChieftain of the Gentleman Tribe (talk contribs) 01:16, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
They're not a new race, though. They're just a new type of druid, and their fiery appearance comes from the fact that they're drawing their power from the Firelands. They're as much a subrace as a priest using shadowform. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 01:19, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
By that logic. Fel elves are blood elves drawing power from Kil'Jaeden. Their demonic traits come from their new powers. Inv helmet 44.pngInv helmet 119.png High Warlord MoneygruberTheGoblinChieftain of the Gentleman Tribe (talk contribs) 02:36, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
It's not the same, the fel energy has corrupted them and changed their appearance among other things. The "flame" elves as just night elf druids that practice a different style, similar to the Druids of the Claw or Druids of the Talon. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 03:07, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
How is it not the same? Quoting yourself with some changes:
It's not the same, the elemental energy has corrupted them and changed their appearance among other things. The "fel" elves as just blood elf classes that practice a different style.
All the other druidic styles don't imply physical changes at all, except minor stuff like antlers and feathers. The Druids of the Flame are a new "race", night elves corrupted by Ragnaros.--Lon-ami (talk) 11:57, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
Agree to disagree I suppose. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 14:02, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
How is growing antlers and feathers minor while "fiery skin" implies an entire new race? -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 18:53, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
I don't even like to think of Druids of Flame as druids. Shamans of the Flame would have made more sense. Inv helmet 44.pngInv helmet 119.png High Warlord MoneygruberTheGoblinChieftain of the Gentleman Tribe (talk contribs) 02:54, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
If you want insane discussing, then start explaining me why high elves and blood elves are different races :P.--Lon-ami (talk) 23:04, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
Uh... because uh...they have differn-...GREEN EYES! Inv helmet 44.pngInv helmet 119.png High Warlord MoneygruberTheGoblinChieftain of the Gentleman Tribe (talk contribs) 00:26, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
If you want my personal opinion, they're not. Blood elves are mostly a political faction of high elves. Hell, if you really want to get technical, worgen aren't a separate race either; they're a druidic form. But since those two are playable "races," it makes things complicated. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 00:28, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
Gilnean Humans however are a separate race altogether. Not Humans Not Worgen. This is actually why I wanted Gilnean icons. In-Game they are called "Not human or beast". Inv helmet 44.pngInv helmet 119.png High Warlord MoneygruberTheGoblinChieftain of the Gentleman Tribe (talk contribs) 00:29, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
Gilneans are a separate culture, not a separate race. The "neither human nor beast" thing refers to the worgen form, not the human form. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 00:51, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
Let's not forget there's a population of Night elf Worgen's trapped in the emerald dream. Technically they're still an Elf subrace. Speaking off, should we not add that to this page? From what i remember pre-cata, they always stayed in worgen form, even after dying. So maybe they're unable to? --1201 (talk) 21:53, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
They're as much as a subraces as is Slyth, Tigons or shapeshifting druids...--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:04, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Harpies

Why were harpies added?--Ashbear160 (talk) 21:12, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Because one of the older sources said they were Night elves cursed by Azhara for betraying her. --1201 (talk) 21:54, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
Source?--Ashbear160 (talk) 23:03, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
"Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos manual, page 143". It says so on the Harpy page. --1201 (talk) 00:24, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
Then there has been a retcon in the wow magazine which states clearly that Harpies were created by Aviana.--Ashbear160 (talk) 00:54, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
And according to the Harpy page, that is a false legend.--Ashbear160 (talk) 00:55, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
Oh i know. I wasn't debating that. Harpies were added to the elf page before the retcon and that was because of the ROC manual. It should probably be removed now. --1201 (talk) 01:18, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
I was asking about the recent addition in the image.--Ashbear160 (talk) 01:23, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Naga

The Warcraft encyclopedia counts Naga as still Elven, so we probably should as well. Copperblast (talk) 00:10, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Legion's additions

Legion introduced the Nightborne (the shal'dorei) and the Fal'dorei spider mutants. We might want to update this page with their info and a new cover photo. --Thenewmtrais (talk) 23:49, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

In time. Be bold. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 23:57, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Helves & Belves

Hv3drungr, recently, Blizzard stated something along the lines that they consider high elves and blood elves to be identical. --Mordecay (talk) 22:40, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Yes, they did. Ion did, actually. But that doesn't mean they're one and the same; we know they're not. We know they treated their mana addictions differently, and that the blood elves were changed by it. We know they have different models (or skins, at least). They have different names. Ion mentioned them being "identical" for playability purposes. That doesn't mean they're the same race. --Hv3drungr (talk) 22:50, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
"High elves and blood elves are physiologically the same race," The Warcraft Encyclopedia. --Aquamonkeyeg (talk) 19:33, 23 December 2017 (UTC)