Talk:Howling Fjord

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Files hint at new expansion

files in the 2.1 PTR show some scenery models from the Howling Fjord, under the title Expansion 02, which points to Northrend as the next WoW expansion. --Adonzo 12:06, 28 April 2007 (EDT)

Starting Zone for Wrath of the Lich King

It's just been reported that the Howling Fjord will be the new 'starting zone' (like Hellfire Peninsula in TBC) for the next expansion, someone might want to add it when it's confirmed by Blizz on Friday at Blizzcon07. Silent002 15:16, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Apparently, the two factions will have different starting zones - probably Howling Fjord for the Alliance (Valgarde is there) and Borean Tundra for the Horde (they are allied with the Tuskarr). This suggests that there are different entry points to Northrend - boats and zeppelins perhaps? Ygoloxelfer 21:12, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
There are no docks left in Menethil. Will one be added?--SWM2448 22:13, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
No, Ygoloxelfer - Howling Fjord has an Alliance town (Valgarde) and a Horde town (New Agamand). So does Borean Tundra - Alliance (A Gnomish town with airplane strips, actually the second Gnome town seen in-game besides Gnomeregan, the other one being Toshley's Station in the Blade's Edge) and for the Horde (Warsong Hold). So don't worry, both factions may enter the two areas.
The zeppelin tower outside Undercity does only have 2 platforms, I guess a third one was added leading to Northrend, not that hard to add another platform to Menethil Harbor's dock as well.
--  Shandris  talk / contribs 22:22, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
In one of the screenshots of Vengeance Landing, there is what clearly resembles a Forsaken zeppelin tower with two landing docks. Similar ones might be erected somewhere on the preexisting continents to accomodate transit. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 22:18, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
The Alliance will arrive by boat directly into Valgarde. There's an unused dock in Theramore that could be put to use for this purpose. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 22:27, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
I was getting at that. The page says Menethil.--SWM2448 22:29, 4 August 2007 (UTC)


Can I just get a reliable source that the Forsaken has a town here named New Agamand? --  Shandris  talk / contribs 17:16, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Blizzard released a series of screenshots showing off Howling Fjord locations. One of the pics was the one in the New Agamand article, and the picture was titled with the town's name. ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 17:35, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
Link to screenshots? Thanks. --  Shandris  talk / contribs 18:20, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
Found one here on - ---- Varghedin.jpg Varghedin  talk / contribs 22:15, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Connected Port to Valgarde - Did We Not See This?

I happened to read some info about Relentless' encounter against Prince Keleseth in Utgarde Keep:

"...while on the boat to Northrend (departed from Auberdine) we spent our talent points and picked up some consumables..."

Does this, perhaps, answer the question of where the port in Valgarde is connected? --Joshmaul 22:22, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Great info. But it is already the biggest port... there are no docks left.--SWM2448 22:25, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
My thought would be to remove the Rut'theran-Auberdine boat path and make it the path from Auberdine to Valgarde, and make the flightpath between Teldrassil and Darkshore accessable to all, regardless of which one they start at (something like the Stair of Destiny-Honor Hold/Thrallmar FP, perhaps). --Joshmaul 22:31, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Added more specific info from my recollections. User:Kirkburn/Sig3 23:27, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Oh, they replaced the Menethil line for the preview? Seems a little odd to me - I say they shoulda replaced the Teldrassil line. In fact, I still say they should anyway, and just make it like the Dark Portal-Hellfire towns flight paths between Auberdine and Rut'theran. It's proven to work - so why not? --Joshmaul 07:43, 23 August 2007 (UTC)


I like the banner--Ithar 22:41, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Zone Design Layout Image

Did the same thing I did with Dragonblight and cleaned up the design layout image of the zone and added areas that I could make out or that are known to be that area. If anyone can make out any other captions I will add them or if theres anything anyone feels needs to be changed. Leviathon 23:00, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

RPG and WCIII subzones

What is to be done about them? If they are not in WotLK, then I suggest taking them out of the subzone template and putting them in a section of the subzone list on this page, like on Western Plaguelands.--SWM2448 02:37, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Like what? Valgarde and Daggercap Bay? RPG didn't discuss any other locations as far as I know.Baggins (talk) 00:41, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


How did a burning ship manage to get stuck half way up between the cliffs on either side? User:Jormungand01/sig 14:28, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

The vrykul probably used harpoons anchored to chains to snag it, then dragged it up the cliffside and set it on fire as a warning to any other ships that might pass through. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 19:51, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Sounds like more trouble than it's worth. User:Jormungand01/sig 21:11, 4 January 2009 (UTC)