Talk: Medivh

Category:Historical Necromancers

I removed this since Medivh never raised anyone from the dead, to my knowledge. His mother, Aegwynn, however, has... But I won't spoil it for anyone. User:Montag/sig 15:38, 10 January 2007 (EST)

Please, Please, Please cite your sources. I've never read any of the RPG gamebooks and it's been awhile since I've seen the Warcraft: Orcs & Humans manual, but I don't recall Medivh ever being a Necromancer. I'm going to remove the references to this until I see a reference. --Zephead 22:16, 17 January 2007 (EST)

Aegwynn's actions may not be considered necromancy, but that's a debate of the finer points of magic. Prophet, we prefer you only use one username. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 23:15, 17 January 2007 (EST)

My interpretation is that Aegwynn used the last of her powers to make a new body for Medivh. So I guess he might be some kind of complex construct after that point. Xarantaur (talk) 07:50, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

Explain to me...

In the Here next was written: "A new crisis has arisen that threatens to end the lives of all who would serve the King. The evil warlock Medivh has begun draining the soul of the land itself to increase his dark powers." I read The Last Guardian, but there was no mention about it. I presume that he did it because of his weakness after the battle with Aegwynn, but there was no mention about his draining power from the land in this book. Also, there he was not weakened much. And why it is dangerous (Medivh's draining the soul of land)? Mardook

I've always assumed that this piece of lore was retconned by The Last Guardian. The "evil warlock" plot line came from the mission report in Warcraft: Orcs& Humans. This also wouldn't make any sense if one tried to combine it with the current lore, because no one knew that Sargeras himself had possesed Medivh outside of Khadgar. --Prophet 20:07, 25 February 2007 (EST)

As I remember somewhere on wowwiki was mentioned that it's this kind of "draining the soul of land itself" that has made Deadwind so deadwind, converted Black Morass into Blasted Lands, and made Duskwood of part of Elwynn Forest. --Drundia 18:22, 18 March 2007 (EDT)

That is a plausible explanation. Aside from the blasted lands, which were created due to the upheaval created by the dark portal. --Prophet 17:05, 19 March 2007 (EDT)

"Evil warlock" is inuniverse POV, and its remarked on my many characters, even a few mentions in WoW itself. The draining of the land actually gets refrenced in later sources including the RPG, although it also tied to dark magics escaping from the portal itself. But yes it lead to black morass becoming the blasted lands.Baggins 17:08, 19 March 2007 (EDT)

Medivh as the Oracle

I'm not sure if this is simply a goof at blizzard, or if another explanation exists, but how do the Tauren and Night elves have "legends" of the oracle, if Medivh isn't very old compared to the history of the world? (It's possible that there was some other "oracle", that set up the inside of stonetalon peak, with the spectral bridge and such, and that Medivh just used it, but this information seems useful for the article.)Minionman 14:25, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Nearest I can figure, there was an Oracle there, which died at some point, and Medivh replaced it. Or the Oracle was still there, allowed Medivh to use her setup and simply was never seen. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 20:45, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Hmm... I think his title might be incorrect. The Wowwiki article calls him "Magna Medivh." However, "Magna" is Latin. It is also feminine. "Magnus" might be a bit more appropriate. --VampireKyn

"Magna" was never meant as a latin word, even if it was a latin word originally the meaning in WoW is entirely different. His correct title is, indeed, Magna Medivh. ~ Peregrine

It is also possible that someone prophecied the coming of an Oracle and built the inside of Oracle cave in preperation for that day. There is some implication of that in Lands of Mystery IIRC.Baggins 14:28, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Aszune was turned to stone for mocking the Oracle's wisdom, implying that there was something there at some point. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 14:45, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

True... I looked in Lands of Mystery and there is one of "Brann's rumors" (I.E. Adventure Seed) of a new Oracle coming out of the cave but actually just be an Eredar warlock impersonating the Oracle.Baggins 14:56, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I've also been wondering about this. I think the most logical explanation is that the Oracle is a legend among the races of Kalimdor and that Medivh, knowing the legend, impersonated the Oracle in an effort to guide Thrall and Jaina to Stonetalon Mountain where they would meet and he could convince them to ally together. Since not much is known about the Oracle or the legends, we can't really make any assumptions that Medivh is more involved than that... --~ Grudgham 15:01, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

It is possible that the Guardians once knew the Oracle personally, or that the Oracle was a previous Guardian of Trisfal. Indeed this lore reguarding the Oracle in Stonetalon and Princess Aszune has plenty of room for developement. A very interesting point of lore. --Invin Dranoel 14:49, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

So many years passed... any new info about the Oracle vs. Medivh? How Cairne knew about him? --Mordecay (talk) 19:34, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

timeline and other retcons

can't quite place aegwynn's battle with medivh. I'm going through and adding some stuff here and there (i'm going to assume TLG retconned some of this stuff), but I don't think that was, as Cycle of Hatred tells us that Aegwynn survived her battle. I suspect it was prior to Khadgar beginning his apprenticeship to the page, the way I read page 155. comments? --Sky (t · c · w) 04:27, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Another item I can't quite place is the fact that TLG says that Lothar cared for him, while War1 says that the clerics cared for him. I phrased it so as to seem Lothar aided in the care. Not sure where the quote for that is...
Still another item was the beginnings of his coma. Obviously, in the war2 manual, aegwynn states that aran was killed after Medivh awoke from nightmares, while in the book (page 100ish), it implies that Medivh began his coma then and there when the trolls attacked. I'm not quite sure how to phrase this; perhaps he was able to be awoken by his companions, but then succumbed to the coma after returning home? --Sky (t · c · w) 04:49, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

The "battle" is detailed somewhere in the Last Guardian. The troll was a different coma (concussion, in this case) altogether, I think. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 12:21, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't seem a concussion to me, but eh:

Medivh charged, his hands flaming....

And caught the butt end of the troll's spear in the face, as the troll slammed the heavy haft against Medivh's jaw [...] Medivh went down. [...]
He then promptly gets up, casts a half dozen spells, and precedes to fall down again. None of the symptoms in the book are symptoms of a concussion... Most notable about concussions is amnesia, which he certainly does not, by his part, suffer from...
And I found the battle between Aegwynn and Medivh, right near the end. Obviously, not eliminated. However, I moved it anyway. --Sky (t · c · w) 19:44, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I have readded the information regarding his father's death, also noting that the info is somewhat conflicting. --Sky (t · c · w) 19:13, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you are talking about exactly, but uh, I've had a concussion before, never had the amesia symptom, but the nausia, vomiting type, dizzyness symptoms :p... Remember not all cuncussions are the sameBaggins 19:27, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Yup. My head and a giant, low-hanging porcelain lamp = broken lamp and concussed (look ma, I made a word!) head. But no amnesia. ----  Varghedin  talk / contribs 20:44, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Length of coma

Hi, I'm not sure which one is correct, but thought I'd point out that on this page it states Medivh's coma lasted 20 years, but on the Aegwynn page, it states he awoke 6 years later.Lijakaca 18:11, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Six year reference was in WC1 manual{{t|Cite}}{{Cite|WC1Man|21,22}}, and possible other sources. The 20 year reference was from CoH?. I'd just explain the differences between the two stories somewhere, and add the citations.Baggins 22:18, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

It could be flavor lore, the humans of the time may not have been able to count.--SWM2448 22:19, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I highly doubt that, the WC1 manual had a much different timeline than later sources, and it was quite specific with its years. With an additional 15 years that no longer exists in other timelines. However saying that I'm not exactly sure if WC1 manual was the only source to mention the six year coma, it might have appeared in WC2, and some of the RPG sourcebooks as well. Considering how poorly blizzard is at keeping their timelines consistent its possible that a mistake may have cropped up in CoH as well. We may never know which case it was.Baggins 22:22, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I was, in fact, serious. Bliz could explain it that way.--SWM2448 22:26, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Eh the orcs in WC1 and II fit into the same timeline and mentioned the same number of years passing in many examples, Garona's telling and Lothar's (it wasn't "humans of hte time" but rather Lothar's journal)... Blizzard could try to use that as an explanation, but it would be highly unlikely and it would break all sense of reason... The average adult can count to their tens and twenties and even into their hundreds... Its ludicrous to believe that humans or rather Lothar himself somehow couldn't count...Baggins 22:31, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Lothar was counting? Oh... My bad.--SWM2448 22:43, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

20 year reference is in TLG; don't ask me to find the page. :( --Sky (t · c · w) 03:03, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

This is why I tend to avoid using specific dates on article pages, :p... Better to mask them with terms like, decades, several years, etc...Baggins 15:02, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Listed name?

Uh, why is Medivh listed as 'Magna' Medivh? Magna was his mother's title; he himself is referred to as either the Prophet in Warcraft III or as 'Magus' in TLG. Some additional support for this comes from the fact that the -a ending is generally feminine in Latin, whereas the -us is masculine. CorradinFarwind 02:25, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Magna is Dwarven for "protector" and is the title applied to all Guardians. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 02:53, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

To clarify, as established in Cycle of Hatred.Baggins 03:17, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I think it might actually be Magnus in TLG; I'll see if I can dig it up some time. --Sky (t · c · w) 18:31, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

It's been retconned- "Magna" is the title used, regardless of gender, in Cycle of Hatred. I concede that Medivh isn't referenced as such, but Aegwynn's predecessor, Scavell, is. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 18:48, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Ah, touche. :) --Sky (t · c · w) 18:51, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Lol. TLG (see below article) calls him a Magus. We are so sad. xD. --Sky (t · c · w) 05:07, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

If Magnus is shown to be a "Dwarven" word in TLC it will be added to the Dwarven article for completeness sake, along with the page citation, even if a retcon has occured. More for indexing purposes, and historical record. As for Magus nothing wrong with that, that's just an alternate singular term for "mage", which is infact correct, :).Baggins 15:03, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Medivh is alive article

See http://www.blizzplanet.com/content/705/ ... some info to perhaps harvest and cite? User:Kirkburn/Sig3 03:51, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Argh, the article contains no dates as to how old it is. Seems kinda like old stuff. It doesn't really give any proof to the status of Medivh either. More like just a statement. As to information inside the books which might contain info of such things, I'm kinda thinking that our multiple book readers would've caught this and corrected this already. —Pzychotix (talk · contr) 04:27, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Aye, that article seems as hold as CoH is, which I'm pretty sure came out in 05. A while ago. --Sky (t · c · w) 05:08, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

That passage refers to Medivh's life as the Prophet. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 12:25, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure the article was just created. I got it via a news update - http://blizzplanet.com/news/1483/ Anyway, I'm thinking the article can be made clearer as to his life/death situation. User:Kirkburn/Sig3 15:55, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

FTA:

"Khadgar buried the corpses of Moroes (the butler), the cook and Medivh. However, a faint image of Medivh was watching over Khadgar. Khadgar had sensed it since the first day he arrived to Karazhan after the Kirin Tor sent him to become an apprentice to Medivh.

That presence was all along Medivh ... but this Medivh came from the future. Medivh talked to Khadgar:

Khadgar: "So what are you in the future? Magus? Guardian? Demon?"

Medivh: "Be assured. I am a better being than I was, I am free of the taint of Sargeras thanks to your actions this day. Now I may deal directly with the Lord of the Burning Legion. Thank you. There cannot be success without sacrifice."-- from Warcraft: The Last Guardian - page 304 ."

As to whether this means he is actually alive or some non-material being, we cannot say. It just refers to a "presence" who comes from the future. —Pzychotix (talk · contr) 05:43, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Prophet. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 00:05, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Prior to war3 is when he sucked the memories out of the tower. And then he set off to save the world. Perhaps this could be added ;) --Sky (t · c · w) 06:47, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

The passage quoted refers to Medivh as the "Prophet" from War3... although he yet remains a mystery, as his final statement is "And now, I take my place... amongst the legends... of the past." Whether or not he actually left the mortal plane (not so much died, but just kind of faded away) or just chose not to show himself again is a mystery. For all we know, he could still be out there! Then again, for all we know, he could not. Only time will tell. ~Peregrine

Medivh's powers/strengths

Can anyone clarify Medivh's true powers for me? It has been said here on WowWiki that he was an Eternal either when Sargeras corrupted him or when he "became the legendary Oracle, Medivh trancended beyond even his powers as the last Guardian to become an Eternal." But then it also talks about how none of the other guardians were Eternals. So what's the deal? Jclipps 02:13, 13 September 2007 (UTC) Top Gun

Medivh is among the most powerful beings in Warcraft. His powers are magical and magical powers are fueled by 2 things, Knowledge and Aptitude. Medivh obviously has the aptitude and the knowledge he has gathered over the years (some knowledge probably straight from Sargeras himself) is unimaginable. He is at the level at which the true scopes of his powers have not or will never be revealed. All we can say is that he is really really powerful. --Invin Dranoel 14:54, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Also, it is the RPG alone that claims he is an Eternal, with extremely little explanation. Also note that Guardians, as with all mages, vary in power.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 20:43, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

In Day of the Dragon, Deathwing states that Medivh is the only human he ever respected, and that he wouldn't have faced him willingly. That speaks volumes about his power.--Austin P 03:17, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

I still think his Eternal status has more to do with the fact that Medivh was possessed by the Eternal Sargeras at the point in time his RPG stats are set, according to the article's lore. The article only covers the period while he was alive and under possession by Sargeras. The article makes a big point about how Medivh breaks into two fighting styles, and personalities depending on who is in control. the one where Medivh is in control and the one when Sargeras is in control.

Medivh’s tactics are often erratic, depending upon which personality is in control at the time. Nonetheless, the common theme with both personalities is to stay at range and harass enemies with potent spells. He often casts only a few spells and then retreats for a few rounds to strike again later from another direction.

If the article was set in any other period other than the First War, when he was himself and not Sargeras, he probably wouldn't have been listed with the Eternal status.Baggins 03:27, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Even during the Third War, long after he had been freed of Sargeras' control, he had "tremendous power about him" according to Jaina. Granted, that isn't very specific, and he never used that power... --Paulus 05:41, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Which mission? For sake of wanting to know. --Sky (talk | con | wh) 05:48, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

The Interlude between chapters 5 and 6 of the human cmapaign, called "The Prince and the Prophet". --Paulus 00:08, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

So did Aegwynn and many of the other Guardians, yet they aren't "Eternals" that is where the problem lies really.Baggins 05:48, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Someone recently stated that Medivh's powers were close to those of Sargeras. Just to put it out of my mind, is it possible? I mean, it doesn't seem that a council of mages could combine their powers with another powerful mage to even get close to the powers of an ex-Pantheon member. If Sargeras left behind some of his powers, would the guardian powers be enough combined with them to be equal to that of Sargeras'? Jclipps 20:14, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

If Medivh had access to all of the power of Sargeras, Khadgar wouldn't be walking around today. That being said, that means Medivh is powerful enough to be an Eternal on his own, and his possession by Sargeras had nothing to do with it. That doesn't explain where Medivh got worshippers though (the other requirement for the status of Eternal is worshippers.) Lckyluke372 (talk) 22:13, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Because my last post went unanswered, I'll ask a new question. It has never been stated anywhere (like with Kael'thas in the Abjuration book found in Dalaran) that Medivh is a master of all the arcane schools. Is it safe to assume though that he is, or does he have a pretty specific sphere of power? And for those who are wondering, I'm referring to the schools of: Abjuration, Conjuration, Divination, Enchantment, Transmutation, Evocation, and Illusion. jclipps (talk) 23:41, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Magna?

I've never seen Medivh referred to with the Magna title. Can anyone cite this?Parqual Fintalas 15:24, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Guardian of Tirisfal? User:Kirkburn/Sig3 15:31, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

That's not really a citation, to be fair. I don't believe anyone other than Aegwynn has been referred to as "Magna." Parqual Fintalas 16:15, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Scavell. User:Kirkburn/Sig3 16:17, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, ok. But Scavell isn't Medivh. Has anyone ever seen Medivh referred to as "Magna Medivh"? Parqual Fintalas 16:20, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Just went through the Caverns of Time this evening, and confirmed that several of the attacking Infinite Dragonflight say, "Magna Medivh will die!"

I just find it odd that the title he possibly had is all over his article, whereas the title we've seen him repeatedly referred to with is portrayed as a secondary one. It says Magna AKA Magus, but no one's ever called him Magna. Parqual Fintalas 16:39, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Waitasec, didn't we just have this discussion? See up above - Talk:Medivh#Listed_name.3F? User:Kirkburn/Sig3 16:55, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

The above post only reaffirms that no source exists calling him Magna. I suggest removing the title or putting it into a more secondary position, as no precedent has been set. Parqual Fintalas 16:37, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh for the love of....Magna is the title of all Guardians of Tirisfal, it doesn't matter if anyone actually uses this title to adress Medivh, he is(was) a Guardian of Tirisfal, thus he is also Magna. Stöpa^(talk) 10:35, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

I thought Cycle of Hatred called him Magna (as well as stating that Magna was the official designation for all "Guardians", meaning "protector" in Dwarven.)?Baggins 16:39, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Additionalyl "the Magus" is actually treated to be a pretty significant title for him in Shadows & Light as well.Baggins 21:09, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok the relevent text in CoH is;

"...properly addressed as Magna...The word was a dwarven one meaning "protector", and had been the honorific for every guardian since the first."

-Baggins 16:58, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

I understand that. However, we've had pieces which deal with Medivh extensively, and the title has never been used in specific reference to him. The Last Guardian introduced the term and was all about Medivh, but never addressed him as such. Perhaps he denied it, perhaps the title was retired after Aegwynn, perhaps he did use the title and we've just not seen it. There's a lot of possibilities here. I just think you're jumping the gun; the title is headlining his page, but no one's ever used it with respect to him. I don't think it unreasonable to suggest you rethink that. Parqual Fintalas 18:13, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Cycle of Hatred establishes that all Guardians are addressed as "Magna." As far as I see, that's not jumping the gun. A also point out that the points you raise for removing it can also be argued for keeping it.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 20:59, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Cycle of Hatred established that in a 70 year old flashback. Like I said, there's a lot a possibilities. One of them is that yes, it's a title he used. But again, no precedent has been set. It seems like a strange thing to do: use as a primary title in the headline a title that's never been used for him.

But anyway, it's clear you guys don't want to revisit the issue so I won't pursue this further. Parqual Fintalas 21:12, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Granted, I think he's just referred to as Magus Medivh in Tides of Darkness novel, so it may be the preferred title for him, though he technically is "Magna". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Baggins (talk · contr).

Yes he is definitetly called Magus in Tides of Darkness, not Magna. He was never technically or specifically called Magna in Cycle of Hatred either. But in anycase I'm pretty sure we can agree that latest source takes precedence.Baggins 20:52, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Okay, Magus take precedence over Magna, seems fair to me. Kirkburn  talk  contr 21:05, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Additionally Magus is treated as a significant title in Shadows & Light as well. Essentially what we have learned is that there has been no retcon. The Last Guardian was never retconned, neither was Shadows and Light. Tides of Darkness just confirms that the material was just as valid as always has been.Baggins 21:09, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I added a citation for "Magna Medivh" from WoWInsider. After reading some of the various threads here, someone should look up some references in the novels and add citations. -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 12:39 PM PST 25 Nov 2007

There is no reference to Magna Medivh in the books specifically. What you found on WoWInsider appears actually just be info that was taken from an earlier version of WoWWiki's article, as of such the citation shouldn't be used. Citations in the main section of article should actually only be limited to official sources, not fan sites.Baggins 07:47, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

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I just spotted that he is actually called Magna Medivh in his Know Your Lore article in the WoW Insider.[1] -Rovdyr (talk) 14:08, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Read the post directly above yours.Warthok Talk Contribs 15:56, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

God I feel stupid now S= -Rovdyr (talk) 13:30, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Stats of the NPC?

Medivh is also a boss-flagged NPC in the Caverns of Time instance The Black Morass. Anyone knows how much damage he can take? Privatekey 13:22, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

• Wowhead
• WoWDB

Wowhead says 12,000 health. -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 12:42 PM PST 25 Nov 2007

Allaince affilation?

I noticed that Medivh is listed under the allaince on the menu at the bottom of the page regarding major lore characters. Medivh has never been a part of the allaince, he died before it was origionaly formed, and when he came back he was neutral, convincing the horde, allaince, and night elves to work together against the legion. Even before his death, he mentioned that if the orcs won the first war, he would continue his duty as guardain for them(although, obviously because of Sargeras' control this wasn't the case). Medivh shouldn't be listed as allaince.Tweak the Whacked 04:28, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Well its a little known fact there was a kind of proto-alliance during the first war, and also proto-horde. A few goblin mercenaries hired by the Horde, a few ogres involved, and maybe even a few trolls. A few elves and dwarves helped the alliance during the first war. Of course, nothing to the level seen during the Second War though. Medivh was also semi-alligned to the Humans although he was ultimately found to be the cause of the war. Although I do agree it is a bit misleading.Baggins 05:02, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Well I disagree with him being alliance. If you remember when Thrall asks him if he was human he just laughs and says I left my humanity behind long ago. So he is not a race that fits evenly in to either side. And then if you remember he was mocked by the alliance but Thrall followed him and was more respectful. So I doubt Medivh has love for the alliance, and he is not human and Thrall respected and believed him. So if he's anything in my opinion he is horde. - Torny

Since he acted with respect to all three factions during the Third War ( most recent ) I'd say he was neutral or independent. If he weren't possessed by Sargeras for most of his life, and formed opinions on his own and not with potentially heightened reasoning granted to him by said possessor he'd probably have joined the proto-Alliance had someone else opened the Dark Portal. --Super Bhaal 09:30, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually, almost everyone thought he was part of the proto-Alliance until they found out he secretly betrayed them. TLG essentially shows him working on behalf of Azeroth, despite the fact that Sargeras was controlling him at times to destroy the world. Shadows & Light establishes that when his own mind is in control he truly cared for many of the leaders of the world, but only betrayed them when Sargeras was in control.Baggins 20:35, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Location?

In the info box it says that his current location is in the Black Morass. That is him, yes, but in the past as we all know. And on account that the Medivh in the Black Morass is him in the past, shouldn't it state his current location? Such as "unknown"? Archmage Rodyn (talk) 00:22, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: Location?

If you look at somewhat near the bottom of the article on Medivh, you'll notice that Medivh realized that he no longer needed to aide the denizens of Azeroth which notes that he set everything he needed to in place in order for the mortal races of Azeroth to destroy the Burning Legion and the evils that follow it.

He also says that he will "Fade into the legends of the past".

Sure, he does dissapear but does that mean he is gone? No.

I believe that he is forever watching Azeroth until he is needed once more. Some believe he takes on the form of a black raven.

There is also evidence that he still resides in Karizhan because there is a lone raven bird circling the magnificent tower in which he formerly treaded in.

He is still watching the course of actions of the humans of Azeroth unless he is needed again.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Marluxious (talk · contr).

Medivh Indifference?

I was just thinking recently about the Scourge invasion. Medivh tried to warn multiple leaders of various kingdoms about the incoming Scourge and plague. I asked myself, well if he's so powerful, wouldn't he have been able to just control the leaders or something with magic? If he really cared about their fate and wanted to save them, why didn't he take matters into his own hands and do something? I believe it's pretty obvious he could've done that if he wanted, and I can't think of any reason he wouldn't want to do something like that. Any suggestions? Jclipps (talk) 03:40, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Medivh's purpose in warcraft 3 is often misunderstood. He wasn't there to save the world. He was there to convince the mortal leaders they need to get off their asses and start doing for themselves. To stop relying on people like the guardians to come to their rescue.Tweak the Whacked (talk) 04:22, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Damn tweak beat me to the edit button...

I think you missed the entire point Jclips. Read his final speech:

The roots will heal in time... as will the entire world. The sacrifices have been made. Just as the orcs, humans, and night elves discarded their old hatreds and stood united against a common foe, so did Nature herself rise up to banish the Shadow...forever. As for me, I came back to ensure that there would be a future, to teach the world that it no longer needed Guardians. The hope for future generations has always resided in mortal hands. And now that my task is done, I will take my place...amongst the legends of the past.

Mommy and Daddy can't always be there. Medivh needed the races of azeroth to do things for themselves. For a few millenia the guardians did all the work to keep azeroth safe and it led to disaster. Medivh bailing them out again would just lead to less self dependance and a potientialy worse situation in the future. One person should not hold that much power.

Aside from that the answer is simple. Medivh no longer had the powers of the tirisfallen. He was resurrected, and he has quite a bit of talent as a mage sans the power of tirisfallen, as did all guardians, but he's still just one powerful mage.Warthok Talk Contribs 04:47, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Its also hinted in later sources that he was a ghost, a spector of his former self and therefore couldn't interfere directly or physically.Baggins (talk) 04:54, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Ahh, alright. I also didn't realize that when he was resurrected he lost his godlike powers. Thanks all. Jclipps (talk) 13:46, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

There's also the fact that mind-controlling the rulers would go against everything he now stood for. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 13:55, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Medivh lost the powers of the Tirifalen? Where did you read that? I have always believed with his ressurection, he brought those powers back. Otherwise, how did he meet Khadgar in the past and absorb the memories and powers within Karazhan as described in The Last Guardian? --Invin Dranoel (talk) 17:01, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

He still possesed a bit of magical talent.Warthok Talk Contribs 17:48, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Magus not Magna

Concerning the opening sentance Ok in latin there are masculine roots and there are feminine roots. The most basic masculine roots are -us(singular) -i(plural). Basic Feminine roots are -a(singular) -ae(plural). So the opening sentence should just have magus, while someone like Medivh's mother Aegwynn would be called magna.

other reasons

-Kadgar calls him magus, everyone in The Last Gaurdian called him magus. -He was called magus in The Tides of Darkness. -Magna is a latin adjective and when latin adjectives are used on a masculine noun they gain a mausculine ending. Krasusinwow (talk) 20:18, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, he is called Magus, no one is disputing that, its even cited. He's even called Magus in the latest Tides of Darkness/Beyond the Dark Portal books.

However, Magna is a term used for honor of guardian male or female. Note the famous guardian, Magna Scavell. He certainly was a man. Cycle of Hatred even goes on to explain that "Magna" is the term of honor for all the Guardians, and that all the Magnas in recent memory were all males.

This is a case were earth definitions have no baring on Warcraft terminology.--Baggins (talk) 20:32, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Medivh was also the only Guardian, as far as we know, not to have been chosen by the Council of Tirisfal. Therefore he might not have ever been officially recognised by them and the title Magna never granted to him. User:Jormungand01/sig 10:43, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Not Human After All?

"What the world needed most back in the day, turned out to be some dude from the kingdom of Stormwind, but how interesting [would it be] if the guardian did not come from the human line?"

Quote taken from the latest BlizzCast. Interesting indeed. Let the crazy theories begin! Xavius, the Satyr Lord 21:35, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

How the hell does that even work? We already know who both his parents were. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 06:19, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Blizzard works in mysterious ways... Xavius, the Satyr Lord 12:35, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

I took the context of that as the next Guardian may not be human. But still, it seemed like it was just being thrown out there.--SWM2448 17:37, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

The only way it would work is if they told us that Aegwynn was not actually impregnated by Nielas, but rather Sargeras, and is some kind of half-titan, or titan in human guise... Although, Medivh was listed as Outsider as his species in the rpg, :p, due to Sargeras influence (or becoming the Oracle). "Male Outsider". Yep it didn't even have him listed as human, and the article never actually referred to him as human, but that he deeply cared for some of the "high-human leaders"... Does it mean much? No I don't think so, but ya its kinda weird.Baggins (talk) 19:01, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Sandwichman; it sounds more like speculation about *A* Guardian not being human, rather than Medivh specifically. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 23:58, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Sargeras did have a hand (talon?) in Medivh's birth: a part of him latched onto Aegwynn and transferred into the baby. Not really a parental contribution, though. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 00:42, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

To just sorta close this point off, Xavius only posted a portion of the quote. The full one says, "What the question would be, with the Burning Legion essentially stymied for the time being in Outland and in "terrestrial" Azeroth, what kind of guardian does the world need now? That’s actually the cool hook that I think we’re interested in pursuing. And could the guardian take a different shape this time? What the world needed most back in the day, turned out to be some dude from the kingdom of Stormwind, but how interesting [would it be] if the guardian did not come from the human line?" Put into context, I think it's crystal clear that he's not referring to Medivh with the "non-human" thing. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 02:09, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

And the match goes to Zeratul. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 02:23, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

I do lean toward Zeratul because 1) Medivh would have been born exactly 9 months after Aegwynn fought Sargeras, instead of 778 years later, if Sargeras was a "parent" 2) Obviously, Medivh was not born until 9 months after the time frame Aegwynn and Nielas were together. Sargeras was pretty much a parasite/virus who had to wait and wait until finally a baby was present that he could influence/invade. Rolandius (talk - contr) 03:22, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

While its possible that Medivh might have become something non-human, I highly doubt he was born non-human. All things point to him being born a human, and unless Blizzard wants to make another wacky retcon, I doubt that would change.Baggins (talk) 04:01, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Not just possible, but quite likely, given what he himself told Thrall in Warcraft 3: "I left my humanity behind long ago. I am something different now." --Alpha Sigma Sigma (talk) 15:36, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

He said that because of his "rebirth" by Aegwynn, after killed by Lothar, Garona and Khadgar, he was a human-like beign before, for NOW he is something else. Pudim17 (talk - contr) 13:44, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

How he knew the future ?

Medivh appeared to Azeroth's leaders as a prophet to warn them of the upcoming threat

and asking them to travel to the ancient lands of Kalimdor ...

so how did he know the Burning Legion's plan ?

how did he know that the Nightelvs are still there in kalimdor and will help in defeating the burning legion again(( from my knowledge .. after the sundering no one knew about the nightelvs and even who witnessed the sundering thought that all the nightelvs were dead ))

so how did Medivh know all that ?

maybe he was able to read sargeras mind when he was corrupted by him ?

or maybe Medivh actually can see the future as he traveled back in time to thank Khadgar for killing him ?

any thoughts ?

User:HiTmAn47 (talk) 19:04, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

We're talking about a very powerful wizard who was brought back from the dead by his equally powerful mother. Either one of those things tends to grant someone rather special knowledge. Both do crazy things.

Everyone present knew the night elves survived, but the dwarves apparently forgot about them altogether, and the tauren remained with them in Kalimdor. Medivh certainly knew the story of the night elves (he told it to Khadgar), and it would have been extremely easy for him to learn from one of his high elf allies that the night elves were still around. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 19:17, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

I seem to think it's implied in TLG that Medivh's knowledge of the future was down to Karazhan slipping through time. (Come to think of it, doesn't it say at the end around when he talks to Khadgar that he absorbed Karazhan's magic, that is the shifting through time bit? I don't have my copy of the book handy to check though I'm afraid... Xarantaur (talk) 07:57, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

Pointed ears?

Despite the fact that perhaps it makes him look more sinister, what's up with developers giving him half-elf/elfish ears? Has it ever been discussed? The ears are different than the night elf model his model is based upon right? I suppose it could be a hint of fel corruption.Baggins (talk) 19:36, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

It's probably just meant to give him a more exotic appearance, unless Aegwynn or Nielas had some elven blood in the past.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 17:48, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Remember that Aegwynn is said to have an "elf-body constitution" Pudim17 (talk - contr) 13:44, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Split the Article

The article is becoming big, what about archive some part? Somebody can show me how to do it? Pudim17 (talk - contr) 13:44, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Create a Talk:Medivh/Archive 1, copy/paste the ended discussion of Talk:Medivh there.

Or 2 if it's not enough of one.

Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (^talk/_contribz) 13:54, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Magna title

I was doing BM the other day for my Kara key, and when this message came across my screen, I had to screencap it for the Wiki. I know there's a lot of talk over the "Magna" title for Medivh, and I heard it mentioned earlier -- the mobs in BM do indeed occasionally call Medivh "Magna".

Here it is. Been lurking around Wikis for a long time, and was excited to finally (hopefully?) help out on one. XD

So - he is indeed "Magna" in official lore, albeit only once? :D

(Also, I know there are already discussions on this page about titles - I couldn't figure out how to put this in those. Am noobish wiki user. D: Sorry!)

Mitharin (talk) 04:51, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Very good finding indeed. I'll add it to the article right now :) Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 04:55, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

And you can add comments to the above discussions by hitting the [edit] button in the right side of the title, or by hitting the [edit this page] button at the top of the page and adding the comment below the other comments. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 05:00, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

"Tremendous power about him"

I believe that it should be noted that even after his resurrection, Medivh still had tremendous power about him, since Jaina mentioned that she had sensed as much in "The Prince and the Prophet." Alpha Sigma Sigma (talk) 07:28, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

Empowering Ritual

Has there been any new information in the comics or books that have elaborated on the ritual used to empower the Guardians? Or is it still an unknown area? Or at least something that might hint at how a small group of mortal beings can empower one person to have power rivaling a Dragon Aspect (Deathwing fears/feared him) and over 1000 times the power of any mortal spellcaster? jclipps (talk) 21:45, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Race - Unknown

Why is it (the race) unknown, we know he is Human. (Yuvyuv111 (talk)) 17 june 2014 15:57

IDK where the "unknown" comes from. Medivh is listed in the humans section of the UVG. --Aquamonkeyeg (talk) 22:38, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

He said he lost his humanity... Whatever that means. UVG also says that he "took the guise of a prophet." But if you think that's not enough for "unknown", revert it back. --Mordecay (talk) 23:25, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

That's a figure of speech. It doesn't literally mean he's no longer human. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 01:04, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Druid

Was his raven transformation ever elaborated upon? Khadgar can do it as well it seems. Do they use Polymorph on themselves or is it more Druidic in nature? Or perhaps Atiesh has to do with it?Elveonora (talk) 12:56, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

I imagine it's more likely an advanced form of polymorph. Regular polymorph affects intelligence. But dragons can shape-change themselves to whatever form they want. Neither are really connected to druidism, which gained their shapeshifting from communing with the specific Ancient Guardians. It could also be Atiesh, the in-game item summons ghostly ravens IIRC (not really solid evidence, though). --Aquamonkeyeg (talk) 18:24, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Year of birth

So according to the initial lore (War I manual) Medivh was born in year year 559 which is year -45. Loreology then said it is year -44 but the Chronicle has his birth under year -45 again. Yet I think that the Loreology bit may still be true as the Chronicle year begins with first how Nielas hunter Aegwynn, then ceased, then agreed to have Medivh with her so Medivh's birth could happen in year -44. Whatya think? --Mordecay (talk) 14:21, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

It gets unnecessarily confusing with all this "before portal" vs "after portal" nonsense, especially since the widening of the portal was a gradual process so it's not even clear what fixed point in time BP/AP even refers to.

Timeline (Warcraft RTS manuals) presently lists 559 as "-32". There are some other math problems here too, like "577 (-14)" vs "583 (-10)". The 3-digit years are six years apart while the 2-digits ones are merely TWO. This is off by 4 years... Tycio (talk) 23:59, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

coma length of 6 or 10 years

Spanning almost ten years[25][26] Medivh, in a coma caused by stress

The 2nd reference linked is https://twitter.com/Llorewalker/status/966401650846875648 described as "Sean Copeland on Twitter" but the tweet is gone now and there's no record of what it said...

The 1st ref is World of Warcraft: Chronicle Volume 2 but no page number is given so I don't know where to go to look for the number 10.

Year 571 is when the "deep sleep" begins and 577 is when Medivh gifts the hourglass so that's six, I don't know if six is "nearly ten" though. Tycio (talk) 03:09, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Generally speaking, new info overrules old, so if the Chronicles is the newest source for a coma length, then that's what we'll go by. PeterWind (talk) 17:22, 23 February 2021 (UTC)