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Accuracy?

There seems to be a lot of uncited information here that may be speculation: that N'Zoth drove Deathwing mad, that he whispered to Azshara, and that he is beneath the Maelstrom. As far as I'm aware, the only thing confirmed is that he was responsible for the Emerald Nightmare. Can anyone provide sources for these other claims? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dark T Zeratul (talk · contr).

There's the {{Source needed}} template at the top, and it will stay there until the article has confirmed information. --g0urra[T҂C] 20:40, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Most of the speculation is related to the Puzzle Box of Yog-Sarron, which referrences "the sleeping city of Ny'alotha", home to a "drowned god" that "lays dreaming". The many overt mentions of dreams and nightmares by the Puzzle Box, combined with N'Zoth's status as the source of the Emerald Nightmare, points strongly to a possible connection between the two. The fact that Ny'alotha is a sunken city also points to the possibility that this is the Old God located in/around the Rift, which may also be connected to the Rift of Aln, bringing everything full circle. Of course, this is all speculation, and Yog-Sarron's puzzle box may not refer to N'Zoth at all. Suzaku (talk) 03:24, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

I've cleaned up the article to separate speculation. The only bit of verified information at this point is that N'Zoth is responsible for the Emerald Nightmare. Although Malfurion described an "ancient evil" existing in the Rift of Aln, we cannot conclusively say that it was N'Zoth at this point. Same for the being described by the puzzle box. --Tyrsenus (talk) 01:43, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Looking at the 'inspiration' section. Isn't it simply a reference to Cthulhu himself and the city of R'lyeh under the sea? even the 'chant' is similair to "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn" from his cult. I'm not sure why the authour seems to think it references something of an offshoot instead. Sounds very much like Cthulhu himself to me rather than his progeny. Also, remember Cthulhu IS all about dreams/sleep. It fits alot more than anything elseMetalmunki (talk)

There are references to both Shub-Niggurath (the Black Goat) and Cthulhu in the Puzzle Box. Ny'alotha is clearly a parallel to R'lyeh, though, and the drowned god strongly resembles Cthulhu. Suzaku (talk) 07:00, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

N'Zath

I'm sure I can find the post-- but it is actually N'zath, not N'zoth. Will post the link in a few. Edit: I misread the blue-post, however, why would they use N'Zoth, that is -clearly- a bad choice. You know. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/N%27zoth Found that while I was browsing. Silly silly.Aphetoros (talk) 05:54, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

The Dark Below, Fiend of the Rift, Old God of the Deeps...

In Vashj'ir and maybe in another sources there are several references to a "Dark Below" that is almost sure that is N'Zoth. PS: I made up the two last titles and obviously they aren't intended to be putted on the article.
But at least they are cool, no? Gabrirt (talk) 03:21, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

No. Where is a "Dark Below" mentioned?--SWM2448 03:27, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
I'm sure that I've seen it in some another source besides the title of Ozumat. BUT I CAN't FIND IT!! :-( Gabrirt (talk) 20:39, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

The box

There are sufficient information to make a small box~; there is no point in remove. Also Admins are mortals passive of errors; they are no masters of truth, and because this I question their actions as any person can question or be questioned.Gabrirt (talk) 21:26, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

I'll admit that I am not infallible, but the box does not add anything.--SWM2448 22:01, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Pronunciation

Chris Metzen and Alex Afrasiabi pronounced it Nuh-Zoth (or Nuh-Zath) and Warlord Zon'ozz says it Nee-Zohth or En-Zoth. So, I suppose the Hearthstone one 'wins'? That is hardly neutral.--SWM2448 20:34, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Really, the only odd-man-out, so to speak, is Zon'ozz. I'm hesitant to lean on that too heavily, though, given that his dialogue a) seemingly pronounces it two different ways, and b) is heavily guttural and accented (if that's the best word for it) such that the proper pronunciation of anything he says is, frankly, suspect. Everywhere else it's been pretty consistently Nuh-Zoth, which is also in keeping with the pronunciation of similar names (like C'Thun) that pronounce the sound of the first letter rather than saying the letter. - DarkTZeratul (talk)
Yeah, you are right. Zon'ozz's voice actor was probably trying to read gibberish verbatim as best as he could. That does not quite need equal weight. Upon listening to it again, the Hearthstone narrator seems to be pronouncing it like the lore panel did.--SWM2448 02:04, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Icon

Seeing as C'Thun, Yogg-Saron and now Y'Shaarj (with the new offical artwork) each has their own unique icon, wouldn't it be a good idea if someone could make an icon for N'Zoth based on its new artwork? Dajax02 (talk) 22:13, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Ben Brode said the art should be canon, so I made an icon for it. --Aquamonkeyeg (talk) 20:37, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

A new piece of shocking info (coming from HotS)

In HotS, there is a skin called "Herald of N'Zoth Alarak". Its description calls N'Zoth "The God of the Deep". Can it be included in the article? At least, the Speculation section should be corrected ("This is most likely referring to N'Zoth.").--Adûnâi (talk) 12:00, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

It's clearly enough proof for me, but since it is not canon it should go under the Speculation section indeed. ShellShockLive (talk) 18:39, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
IIRC, the canonicity of this kind of info hasn't been confirmed. It may or may not be canon. --Mordecay (talk) 20:56, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
In the Emerald Nightmare, Xal'atath says that Xavius "serves the God of the Deep." This seems more like confirmation than new info. -- DarkTZeratul (talk) 05:19, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
Xal'atath has more than one quote regarding N'zoth as God of the Deep. I'd say this one is entirely unambiguous. "Xal'atath whispers: It was here in ages past that the God of the Deep lost a great battle to the God of Seven Heads. But as was so often the case even defeat ultimately worked in N'zoth's favor." It's Canon. He's God of the Deep. --Dusksworn (talk) 16:31, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
First off, anything related to HotS is pretty much considered not canon. Xal'atath is good enough quotes for me to agree with this on the other hand. Who is the God of Seven Heads? — Surafbrov T / C / P 17:00, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
The God of Seven Heads is clearly Y'Shaarj, who was known for having Seven Heads.--Dusksworn (talk) 17:09, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Circle of Stars in Deepholm

This theory seems extremely far-fetched. We don't know that Ilgynoth's line even refers to N'Zoth, I don't see any reason why "circle of stars" would lead one to look in Deepholm, and if you actually look at the skybox in person (instead of in a screenshot) you'll see that it's ribbons of energy spiraling upwards and not really a circle at all, much less made of stars. -- DarkTZeratul (talk) 08:58, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

We all don't know if this is resembling it or not but it is the closest thing to a "Circle of Stars" that you are literally drowning yourself to because it is all underwater. This is why I added it to the speculation section instead of elsewhere (especially because of your reason but) as it could be a reference to N'Zoth but we don't know for certain. It's a possibility. — Surafbrov T / C / P 10:19, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
For an extremely far-fetched version of this theory was "that N'Zoth is actually using the power from the Temple of Earth to grow stronger since Cataclysm." I left that part out because it seemed too far-fetched on this theory. — Surafbrov T / C / P 10:58, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
I'm not sure why it'd refer to Deepholme when you can see the same sky effect at the Maelstrom above. So that's two different locations for starters, but there's also the fact that Deepholme is the opposite direction of the 'circle of stars' which is above, in the skies. -- MyMindWontQuiet 11:46, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
I might have confused between the Shaman Class Hall with the Maelstrom though I heard something about that Class Hall having that such skybox, now I'm not certain. — Surafbrov T / C / P 11:49, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
Yeah the class hall is at the Maelstrom -- MyMindWontQuiet 12:11, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
Oh, right. Yea, I don't play Shaman. Is it seen only in the Class Hall or Maelstrom as well? (lets say you go in the Dragon Soul raid and reach the last encounter, is it there?) — Surafbrov T / C / P 12:15, 19 October 2017 (UTC)