Talk: Northeron

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Northeron Ruins images

Having multiple images of where Northeron might have been seems a bit silly, especially since it's entirely speculation on exactly how far its borders spread. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 22:30, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Well, about the image posted by Sandwich man, I wrote this in the talk page of the file:

Well, to identify Nrotheron we have this facts:

- The wreckage on the north.

- Iso'rath.

- Twilight Hammer invasion.

- Kirthaven.

- It is a mountain area.

So, knowing this, i've modified a little the current scene, resulting in this:

http://www.wowpedia.org/File:Possiblenortheron.jpg

I think that there are two possibilities: the "red expansion" (the more plausible) and the "green expansion" (the only thing being the Twilight's being there).

So, what do you think? --Cemotucu (talk) 14:29, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Splitting information between pages

Northeron in Warcraft II was located where the Hinterlands is (or within it, or next to it). This is supported by:
1) Warcraft Adventures, as the aviary's location is called Northeron Pass by Nazgrel when he sends Thrall to retrieve a gryphon egg. (I can't add a link to YouTube.)
2) WoW Chronicle pages 160-161 transcribe the sentence "The dwarves of Northeron offered the service of their gryphon riders to the Alliance to assist in the decimation of orcs that desecrated their homeland." to "The assault on Aerie Peak changed Kurdran and his people. They now knew of the threat posed by the Horde, and they were determined to help defeat the orcs."

However, I think it would be best to move information taken from Warcraft II and Warcraft Adventures to the Hinterlands page. This page should be left only to direct people to either Hinterlands or Twilight Highlands, mentioning that the region's location was retconned.

I will proceed with this edit at the end of January, if no one objects. Goldskullb (talk) 22:59, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

As stated in the article, Northeron was its own 'subzone' so to speak in lore. It was destroyed by the Cataclysm with the exception of areas like Kirthaven. The page isn't the Hinterlands exclusively and has relevant lore to when it was a zone in lore before it was destroyed. Wildhammer Dwarves settled in Hinterlands, Twilight Highlands and Northeron, with Kurdran having been native to Northeron. He brought his dwarves to defend Aerie Peak; not necessarily the zone it's self having been the Hinterlands. They were two separate areas. Also Warcraft Adventures is non-canon. --Berenal (talk) 00:18, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

The "original" Northeron was located southeast of Quel'Thalas. If it was meant to be Aerie Peak or not, it doesn't matter anymore because they are different locations now. As Berenal says, WAdventures is not canon so its lore information doesn't apply. And as per Chronicle, after losing Grim Batol, the Wildhammers went on to live in the Hinterlands while some settled the nearby Northeron which is the northernmost area of the Twilight Highlands. --Ryon21 (talk) 03:45, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Okay, let's address the first question, so we know what region to describe as having ironwood forests, jagged ice cliff etc.

Where did Blizzard intend Northeron to be, back in 1995? I'm pretty sure where they intended in 1998, that is around Hinterlands, current Aerie Peak being a part of it. Considering the sentences I originally quoted at point 2, we know these from Warcraft II: Kurdran hailed from Northeron. Northeron was desecrated. Kurdran decided to join the Alliance. The Chronicle tells us this: The Hinterlands and Aerie Peak were attacked. Kurdran decided to join the Alliance. I believe the Duck test may apply: If it looks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, it's a duck. Goldskullb (talk) 08:48, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

What Blizzard intended back in WC2 and Warcraft Adventures doesn't really matter when the current canon (Ask CDev) tells us that Northeron was a subregion of the Twilight Highlands. -- DeludedTroll (talk • contribs) 10:49, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Well it's your own choice to think what you want of lore in general, but I hope if you guys ever meet someone who says that Kurdran hails from the Hinterlands or that the Aerie Peak's surroundings have ironwood trees and jagged ice cliffs, you won't contradict them too much. After all, you're basing your argument on only two sentences, that don't appear in any of the games or manuals. One of the Chronicle's lesser roles is to clean up the mess created by contradicting lore. It's ambiguity on Northeron's location might be due to the inability to do that. Goldskullb (talk) 11:37, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

On the contrary, Chronicle completely separates the Hinterlands from Northeron when they said this line: "the Wildhammer ruler set out to forge a new future for his clan. Some of the Wildhammers setteled in a region called Northeron. Yet Khardros led most of his clan even farther north, into the wooded Hinterlands." - Chronicle Volume 1, pg. 156 --Ryon21 (talk) 12:36, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Yes, it does separate them, but it doesn't reinforce the Ask CDev's statement that it's in Twilight Highlands. To decide whether that happened voluntarily or not, one would have to count whether the Chronicle has a trend to leave names of places unexplained or not. I can't tell for sure of course, but in the parts I read and as far as I can remember, I was satisfied with most of the other explanations. Goldskullb (talk) 13:09, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Well, Chronicle does say that Aerie Peak was located farther north from Northeron. So this last one must have been located south of it and the only dwarven area there is Khaz Modan. Either way, unless something contradicts it, the Ask CDev is a valid statement so whether we like it or not, if they say it is in the Highlands, it's there. --Ryon21 (talk) 13:49, 11 January 2020 (UTC)