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Are all giant types confirmed to be created by the Keepers? Previous version said that only sea giants and stone giants are confirmed. --Mordecay (talk) 23:54, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Hmm this is still the case. Side note : the exact wording from Chronicles was that the Keepers had "conscripted the powerful stone and sea giants", which could mean that they were not the Keepers' creations. -- MyMindWontQuiet (talk) 01:04, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
"This is still the case" as in that the other types are not confirmed to be created by the keepers? If so, then they shouldn't be there in the list. --Mordecay (talk) 10:47, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
They're still titan-forged. The article doesn't say that they were created by the Keepers. And we don't know which ones were created by the Keepers or not in fact, but they're still all titan-forged (whether they were created by the titans or the keepers doesn't matter). -- MyMindWontQuiet (talk) 16:39, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
Ok, I gotcha. --Mordecay (talk) 17:21, 1 February 2017 (UTC)


Are you really putting a bulleted list in a zebra table? I'll figure something better.--SWM2448 02:33, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

The table is necessary for the columns (not complete yet). The issue with tables is that you can't create hierarchy. So yes, unless there's a way to shift cells/rows, this is the next best thing. You have the clarity of a table with the hierarchy of bulleted lists. -- MyMindWontQuiet (talk) 02:53, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
It looks sloppy, and they are made to be alphabetized.--SWM2448 02:56, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Titan-forged vs titanic watchers

What is the distinction between the two? World of Warcraft: Chronicle Volume 1 says that aenir and vanir were collectively known as the titan-forged. Yet, this page says that "They are now collectively known as watchers." Also, Helya was called a sorceress, not a watcher in the book. The titanic watchers term is not in the book at all. --Mordecay (talk) 21:55, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

This is what the first generation of titan-forged (which includes Helya) looked like. These have a Watcher model and are often referred to as Watchers in-game, which is also shorter than First Generation Titan-Forged for example. -- MyMindWontQuiet 21:58, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
All races built by the titans are the titan-forged. Leading them are the mini-titans known as the watchers, which is what "titan-forged" is usually used to mean. She is not a giant, she is not an earthen, and unless she is a giant super-vrykul that was adopted by a keeper, there is no other race that she could be.--SWM2448 22:01, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
Actually, the book literally says that the leaders of the titan-forged were the keepers. No mention of the watchers. And Helya is just called a sorceress. --Mordecay (talk) 22:08, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
Ironaya is just called a giantess, but she is a watcher.--SWM2448 22:11, 23 June 2017 (UTC)