Talk:Water elemental

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Use of Water Elementals by Arcane Casters

Is there a source for all of this information? I've never come across most of it, such as water elementals not coming from the Elemental Plane, why Conjurors chose to summon water elementals, Jaine Proudmoore's water elemental, ect...--Austin P 18:15, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

The most powerful Water Elemental currently in World of Warcraft is Hydross the Unstable.

Opinions on the current validity of the above would be most welcome.

There's two sides to this coin. Technically, there is a more powerful deity who would deserve that title, yet in-game it is debatable if he has yet demonstrated it or not. He does not attack (/cast spells) at enemies, he merely has a far bigger health bar and 'the ability to cleanse water'. Lore-wise he could kick Hydross's ass... thoughts? A F K sig 2.jpg A F K When Needed 22:21, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Mage elementals are different from natural ones

The water elementals used by mages are created by the mage from water and air vapor. This is different from the ones that occur naturally in the world or imprisoned in the Elemental Planes. I would like to split up the article to differentiate the two types, but I don't have time ATM. -Aquamonkeyeg (talk) 23:58, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

It actually varies. There is a scene in Tides of War that touches upon this... though it is not an explanation so much as a situation that lays out the properties of the setting that are relevant to this issue. Water is water, and so has the spirit(s) of water in it. Whether using arcane energy to lob it, or asking it to lob itself, it is still water (and spirit(s)) getting lobbed. Now it is another issue if a mage's water elemental is not a true water elemental, but rather is animated conjured water... that still contains the spirit(s) of water... and so is the same as a normal elemental? I'm confused.--SWM2448 00:33, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
The mage variety of water elementals are described as being created and then decompose to their base elements after a certain amount of time. They're also described as mindless. Natural elementals are sentient and have no expiration time. The ones Jaina used in ToW had a will of their own and were enslaved. They called out to Thrall for help. -Aquamonkeyeg (talk) 01:27, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
The ones in Tides of War were the same as normal, but apparently water (spirit(s) and all) is water, and the amplified spell disrupted them.--SWM2448 01:54, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
It could be conjured water elementals are "mindless" in the sense of being completely enslaved by the wizards, like the fireball. Also, Medivh says in TLG that conjuration actually manifest inherent elemental essences that are in the world, instead of summoning them from the EPlane or creating them ex nihilo.Unholy Cemotucu (talk contribs) 04:26, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
Re-reading ToW, the elementals used in the wave were indeed created by Jaina as per the normal mage conjuration (just a lot more than she could do without the Iris). When her mind began to wander, some of them lost cohesion. So even conjured elementals can have their own will and communicate with shaman. So there may be just a general spirit within all water as SWM said. -Aquamonkeyeg (talk) 04:33, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
That is the case, as also stated (strongly implied?) in Tides of War. Though I do not know the difference between the water elementals of the elemental plane and the elemental spirit(s) of water. They both look the same when they manifest.--SWM2448 04:52, 28 May 2014 (UTC)