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Egg gathering quest

The article currently says that the wyverns are sapient creatures who are allied with the Horde, rather than beasts of burden. The plot of Warcraft III corroborates this. However, this quest might make one wonder. If the wyverns are willing partners, why is it necessary to steal their eggs and then "train" the babies? --Illidan Rocks 19:29, 11 September 2006 (EDT)

Break one

Oops plot hole Angry ogre
Uhm? Why plot hole? It is normal for some wyverns to be agressive while protecting their young. To top it all, it will be more suited for them if the ones who "steal" their eggs for raising them later are strong-willed and courageous warriors, rather than puny individuals who can stray the new younglings into the paths of weakness, poachery or cooking. Moreover, they will not hand their eggs easily to unknow extrangers, who can be directly associated with poachers or future cooks wishing for a big omelette. I guess you can get my point :) If I was a wyvern, I will not let foreigners to interfere with my young, unless the individual brings a good reason for it. Wyverns have brains and you can reason with them (if you are quick before they sting you, lol) -- Ravenore, the Necroshadowmancer 17:56, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
If they allied with the Horde,why do they need to take the eggs by force?--SWM2448 18:00, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Because they are evil and crazy wyverns that are the enemies to the Horde's wyverns. Zarnks 18:14, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

OMG wyvern civil war!--SWM2448 18:15, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Break two

Wyverns ARE free creatures, friends of the Horde but not domesticated or enslaved, the stealing eggs thing is in WoW gameplay, merely to give quest givers something to say. PLEASE people do not base Warcraft off the Wold of Warcraft game and such quests. Baldr 00:12, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually its written quest lore, not "gameplay" there is a difference.Baggins 00:22, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Really, show me alink to said "lore" because the horde as it was so far, would do no such things. It's just because quest givers need something to say too. Baldr 18:53, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Wow, does that mean we can discount anything in WoW we don't like? User:Kirkburn/Sig3 19:16, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Yup.--SWM2448 19:19, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
"Players will experience the lore and story of World of Warcraft by doing quests all across Azeroth. In addition to their content and challenges, quests give rewards of experience, gold, and items."[1]Baggins 19:21, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

OK, tell me if you were a wyvern, would you not be protective of your young? Some wyverns were not saved by the orcs back in warcraft3... is it that big of a deal that thrall didnt bother to seek out and befriend every wyvern across azeroth? The point is that the horde doesn't enslave animals of force them into labor. If we base warcraft off of WoW then gee, why must i pay for my trips, so the flight guy can buy wyvern snacks at the wyvern pet care shop in org... Baldr 20:42, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

the horde doesn't enslave animals of force them into labor ... C'mon, surely you realise the Horde today is not quite /that/ different to the original Horde. User:Kirkburn/Sig3 01:13, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

But surely i DO believe that, tell me otherwise if i am wrong Baldr 00:47, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Now you are just getting into the Horde right/wrong debate. This is not a fourum.--SWM2448 00:48, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey i got my point across in the lines above...if you have a problem, state it reasonably. Baldr 00:05, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Umm... sorry.--SWM2448 00:07, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Actually if you had gotten your point across people wouldn't be disagreeing with you (the fact people are disagreeing just means that people think your point is flawed). But Sandwich is saying is that pro-horde bias, or anti-horde bias is not allowed. Only what is supported in the lore. It specifically stated that at least one orc steals eggs. BTW, as far as we know the only wyverns that joined the horde of their freewill was a "Stonetalon Mountains flight"[break2 1] back in a Warcraft III mission.Baggins 17:30, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
  1. ^ Bennie, Scott; Richard Farrese, Bob Fitch. Horde Player's Guide, 222. ISBN 9781588467720. 

Magical Beast

Another Magical Beast with no info about it being a Magical Beast. Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 07:14, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

That's great and all, but especially in this case D&D wyverns are in no way the same thing as Warcraft wyverns. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 18:34, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
There are two kinds of wyverns. Didn't you read the article? Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 02:05, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
So put magical beast in the dragonkin section if you really must, but it has no place in the rest of the article, which is about a totally different creature. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 09:17, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
I never put it in there in the first place. if you want to, then move it. Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 05:11, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Incorrect Naming?

Did Blizzard name the creature incorrectly. Creatures with head of a lion and tail of a Scorpion is known as Manticores, NOT Wyvern. Wyvern are bat-winged dragons, especially noted for their long neck. (They have a very similar neck to Pterosaurs' neck.) 95% of all Google Images Wyvern are original research claims. (Strictly speaking the Fellbeast, ride by the Nazgûl in Lord of the Ring is considered a Wyvern). --Ramu50 (talk) 23:22, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Then there's orcs, trolls, high elves, etc etc. This is Blizzard's wyvern; they can do whatever they want to do with it. --g0urra[T҂C] 23:34, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Talking wyverns

This article states "A wyvern is a sentient wolfish-lion with bat wings and a scorpion tail native to Kalimdor. They speak Orcish and Taur-ahe." The sole source given for this is from N [44] Release Heartrazor. From all that I can find online, the only evidence is the following text, spoken by a tauren:

The great Heartrazor is a majestic creature. He has told me of his gratitude and fondness for you, <name>.

Obvious possibilities include that the communication was non-verbal, magical, in one language or the other (but not both) or that this particular wyvern is a special, talking wyvern. It's also possible the tauren is simply able to understand the speech of such creatures.

If there exists evidence of Orcish and Taru-ahe-speaking wyverns, I'd be interested to hear it and it should be added as a source for this statement. However, if this is all there is to be found, I'd say the assertion that wyverns can speak both of these languages is rather thin. -- Taohinton (talk) 03:37, 18 March 2014 (UTC)