Talk:Zul, Reborn

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Consistency with Grand Magistrix Elisande (tactics) where her NPC name is used instead of the Adventure Guide name. --Mordecay (talk) 00:41, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Actually, tactic article names are always been based on the Adventure Guide. See Argus the Unmaker, Eonar the Life-Binder, Mythrax the Unraveler, G'huun (tactics), etc. — Surafbrov T / P / C 00:48, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
All, except the Eonar one, correspond with NPC name and Adventure Guide. Elisande and Zul don't. --Mordecay (talk) 00:51, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
I see what you're talking about but Elisande is using the same name as the one in the Adventure Guide and the NPC name, unless the Adventure Guide we have is wrong. — Surafbrov T / P / C 00:54, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
Just logged in, Elisande's entry is titled "Grand Magistrix Elisande".
Same case with Dazar. Guide says Dazar, The First King, NPC name is King Dazar and that is the page name. And Azurethos. --Mordecay (talk) 01:06, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
Yea just checked. I've asked slack to see if others will weigh in on this topic whether to do the NPC name or the Adventure Guide name for those that would need the (tactics) disambig. — Surafbrov T / P / C 01:07, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
We have Nefarian's End.--SWM2448 01:43, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
Wouldn't that be considered a "council" fight? — Surafbrov T / P / C 01:55, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
It's not quite a hard requirement, there's no rule that says "you must use (tactics)". (tactics) is a disambiguation tag, meaning it's used when there are several pages called the same (it's just that some didn't quite understand that..). If the name is already disambiguated ("Nefarian's End" is not the same as "Nefarian" and "Zul, Reborn" is not the same as "Zul"), there's technically no need to change it to a disambiguation tag, since it already is. -- MyMindWontQuiet 14:18, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
Agreed with MMWQ. No need to use an unofficial disambiguation tag when Blizzard essentially already provides an official one we can use instead. -- IconSmall TrollDeathKnight Male.gif DeludedTroll (talkcontribs) 22:58, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
Ditto. — Surafbrov T / P / C 23:01, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
So you want to use Adventure Guide name for the tactics page of Elisande and Dazar instead of the NPC name? --Mordecay (talk) 23:13, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
IMO, only if such a page will contain a disambig (much like "Nefarian's End" is way better than "Nefarian (Blackwing Descent tactics)"). If a page can be created without the need of the (tactics) disambig, I wouldn't mind either way but the other one would still need to be a redirect at the very least. (Like if a NPC had no lore related to them, you could use the base name Zul while the Adventure Guide name Zul, Reborn would be a redirect. I know Zul has lore, just using it as an example) — Surafbrov T / P / C 23:18, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
Ok. Dazar is disambiguated by "King Dazar" for tactics page, so that should be ok either way. Not sure with Elisande, tho, whether it's worth moving. "Grand Magistrix Elisande" is her Adventure Guide name only and it redirects to her lore page. The matter was actually discussed. --Mordecay (talk) 23:28, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
I don't understand that discussion. g0urra said "Grand Magistrix Elisande" for the boss page and Elisande for the lore page, but the boss page is at "Elisande (tactics)". Oh because Darksora cut-pasted the content over.Surafbrov T / P / C 23:33, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
Yeah the agreement was on using "Grand Magistrix Elisande", so Darksora shouldn't have done that.
(Though on the topic of disambiguation, there can be some exceptions where the adventure guide name is already a widely used redirect, like Lady Jaina Proudmoore / Lady Jaina Proudmoore (tactics)). -- MyMindWontQuiet 00:28, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
Yea, just like SWM said in slack, it is really just a case by case situation. Lady Jaina Proudmoore makes sense to have a redirect to her lore page, so the disambig is fine in this case. — Surafbrov T / P / C 00:31, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
I'd personally prefer if Grand Magistrix Elisande redirected to her lore page, considering that's her full name + title :/ Xporc (talk) 00:34, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
Well, just like Lady Jaina Proudmoore, I think this should be applied to Grand Magistrix Elisande as well. So have the tactics at "Grand Magistrix Elisande (tactics)" and keep "Grand Magistrix Elisande" as a redirect to the lore article. — Surafbrov T / P / C 00:37, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
Hmm, do we differentiate between "Grand Magistrix Elisande" and Elisande <Grand Magistrix>? Because "Grand Magistrix Elisande" is not her NPC name. I don't think I've seen composing names & redirects like that (from <title> under name) --Mordecay (talk) 00:43, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
Well, we're going off the encounter name, which is "Grand Magistrix Elisande". But as said earlier, "Grand Magistrix Elisande" is rather similar to what we did with "Lady Jaina Proudmoore", in that it's a widely known/used name (and redirect) for her, so it makes sense to keep it as such and just disambig it with a (tactics) for the encounter page ("Grand Magistrix Elisande (tactics)"). -- MyMindWontQuiet 12:10, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
"Lady Jaina Proudmoore" is her NPC name, Grand Magistrix Elisande is not. Unless it's ok to create redirects like Regent Lord Lor'themar Theron, Ranger-General Halduron Brightwing, Warchief Garrosh Hellscream despite them not being NPC names? --Mordecay (talk) 12:40, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
Yes. Mostly a case by case by case basis and depends on how common it is.-- MyMindWontQuiet 12:43, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
Oki. --Mordecay (talk) 12:44, 2 December 2018 (UTC)