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Thaddius alt strat

I as well would appreciate being let know what was wrong with the edit besides a discrepency on the photo which i explained in the post, regarding tank movement, the strat is for dps/heals mainly anyways.

Dramatis personae issues

Check this discussion out, Talk:Day_of_the_Dragon#Named_animals.2C_unnamed_characters_or_repeat_characters.Baggins (talk) 03:19, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Server:Runetotem US

I've unblocked User:Sirus011 -- it is my general impression that you both acted in relatively good faith in reverting each others' edits, although lacking discussion about (both of) your rationales caused problems. This isn't a statement of support for either party; I just believe that the disputed content needs to be discussed. It is my understanding that it will not be re-added to the page before consensus about whether it violates the wowwiki policies is reached.

To this end, you should work with each other to figure out which parts of the disputed edits, if any, breaks wiki policies, and (hopefully) arrive at a tenable agreement as to what should, and what should not, be included in the article. -- foxlit (talk) 22:15, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Runetotem:US Notable Persons / Forum Traditions Deletion Undos

I undid some of the changes that were done on the Runetotem:US page about Notable Players and Forum Traditions. The Runetotem Server and Forums have a celebrated history of regular activities, such as the tradition of /capping a post and blocking mailboxes with kodos. It's a regular occurrence that new members of Runetotem will ask about these traditions, so we'll forward them to the WoWWiki entry. This part of the entry is very much a celebrated part of Runetotem's culture. Let me know if you have any questions. :) -- User:WoWWiki-Sente

Thank you :)

For fixing the [Honor Among Thieves] page. It was missing, so I just made a quick stub (it was actually an edited copy/paste from [Cheat Death] ) with the most important notes I could remember to add. So the rough framework was more or less there, I'm just one of many clueless ones about the proper coding conventions. I'll try to remember the edits though, for future reference. :) AsheraKhad (talk) 00:56, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

“Read up on what the Utility parameter is for.”

Why don’t you explain it to me? I read Utility before and don’t think that Penance is a utility. It's a combination of direct damage and healing, or offensive and defensive. Compared to [Arcane Missiles] and [Holy Shock], I really don’t see your point.--Iggey (talk) 14:16, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Worg-Fang Talisman

Thanks for finding that image for me - I could not find the bloody thing anywhere! I was on checking out some early Northrend quests and decided to fill in a bunch of quest reward items... Cheers! Dongyrn (talk) 18:48, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


Gourra, could you check out Cenarion Emissary Blackhoof‎ and see for yourself which edit makes more sense? Mine or Noobi's. Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 11:12, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Neither. --g0urra[T҂C] 11:25, 28 February 2009 (UTC)


Why the fuck did you remove my map?? YOu shouldn't have admin rights you just delete everything people upload. Ffs stop it Gourra!! --User:ShandrisForever 14:21, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Stop Using Datamined Information

I find it ironic that somebody who undoes my edit confirming Algalon as a boss in Ulduar with an official citation from the Lead World Designer then subsquently confirms the boss later using DATAMINED icons. EXTRACTING ICONS FROM AN MPQ IS Datamining. MPQ Viewers are datamining tools. Not trying to be too harsh, I just find it strange that an adminstrator who is generally pretty strict and keeps things in check allows datamining to go on in Ulduar boss pages. Dcemuser (talk) 19:43, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Funny, I haven't put any of such information on the boss pages. Additionally the things that I have allowed are images and tactics from the PTR. --g0urra[T҂C] 01:12, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
Here's an example - "Auriaya" was a boss only confirmed by datamining (until yesterday). A user put in a request for a speedy deletion (justly) and you removed that request for a speedy deletion with the note "The icons can be seen by using an MPQ viewer. Not datamined." That is what I'm referring to. This happened to all of the unconfirmed Ulduar bosses. I'm dropping this issue though since its a completely moot point now that Blizzard has confirmed every boss besides Yogg-Saron and Algalon. -- Dcemuser (talk) 22:33, 7 March 2009 (UTC)


Thank you for the offer of help:) As a matter of fact, I would like some... I am not sure on how to Link things? A detailed explanation would be lovely, sorry for the noobish question:) Delete this comment if you want to, as I see your Talk page is quite flooded Edit: God, I always forget to Sig:( --Farcaster (talk) 15:05, 22 March 2009 (UTC)Farcaster If you've got the time, I have one more question.. is it worth Editing pages for small spelling, or grammar, mistakes? Not much else I can do as the site is so well made already:D

I thank you too. How about telling me how to pronounce your name? --Major Rantrek (talk) 23:23, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

My User Page

How do i add my characters and their achievements? How do i show/get all of those Wowwiki achievements (Can spell naxxramas, can spell rouge plays X race, is X class etc.)?


You took out the Named section on polar bear why? Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 13:10, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Tier 8 Valorous Garb changes

I understand why you did some of the rewrite on some of the individual pieces - but why did you remove the cost section - that is directly from the PTR for the Vendor and the Token used to purchase the pice -- I used the (Exact) format from the Tier 7 page when I made the page - if the Tier 8 pieces are wrong then so are the Tier 7 pieces -- I coppied / pasted and changed it to match the Tier 8 information from the PTR server -- (<span="help title=Morph>M o r p h | <span="help title=Morph_Contribution(s)_to_this_Wiki>C | <span="help title=Morph_Discussion_Page>T) MorphgnomeMorphdraenei 14:52, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

I was originaly refering to the indiviual piece that had the == Source == section and then had NPC X selling the armor for Y token. I can add the changes the way you mentioned that is not a problem - but as I mentioned that is how the Tier 7 pieces were -- I just did a straight Copy / past to the Tier 8 pieces and only changed the information to match the PTR server -- the Tier 7 are done incorectly as well —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jrooksjr (talk · contr).

WC3UnitBox template

I noticed you've been to the Draenei Elite Assassin page and no doubt noticed the new unit template.

It's not perfectly coded. Could you take a look at it? (A list of issues are on the template's talk page.) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by PsiSeveredHead (talk · contr).

Improved Regrowth

Is there a reason, why you removed the {{Elinks-talent}} from the article?--Iggey (talk) 14:39, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Talk first, edit after.

You could tell I was still editing. Talk to me before reverting part of my changes or I will consider it vandalism. In any case, I hate the itembox/reagentbox format, and will continue removing it as I edit pages. Show me that that format is actually required, and I will reconsider. If you prefer, I will be more universal in this change than just the engineering pages I have been editing. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 19:17, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

I use {{Itembox}} because it looks more clean. Or would you rather have quest rewards listed like the reagents, or boss loot? --g0urra[T҂C] 19:19, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Quest rewards in general I treat like I do reagents here (I remove reagent box from quest reward sections whenever I edit those pages too). Javascript rollover tooltips suffice to provide details, if one desires. I only use the boss loot style display on "series ending" quests and quest chain pages. I do not view itembox/reagentbox as cleaner. It is, however, only an opinion. I would, though, very much prefer not getting in an edit war over these issues, but this is an opinion I hold deeply. Are there modifications to my format which would be acceptable to you? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 19:28, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
I think that a large part of what I hate about reagentbox/itembox is the large icons that leave vast amounts of space empty. I'm also not a big fan of having the ingredients in two columns. There are a couple of other things I would like to see happen with it as well, but those are my largest objections. Would it help, if I were to dummy up an alternate proposal for itembox? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 19:36, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Um.. we cross-edited. But... Itembox as-is is a non-starter. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 19:37, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
I don't think you are seeing what I am seeing. Itembox, for me, generates an icon that is perhaps 3 times the height of the text. Item generates an icon that is precisely as high as the text. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 19:42, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Your point being...? You're trying to say that the icons are too big for you to read the text? --g0urra[T҂C]
As it seemed required, I added emphasis to the above. Does this answer your question? We are, after all, both talking about our own preferences. I am, in this, trying to compromise. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 19:48, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
I prefer the itembox link because of the background helps distinguish the list - I prefer the list in multi rows ( because I hate scrolling and wasting the space to the right ) but I can see Erik Ratcatcher's point on the Icon being bigger compared to the [[Item]] -- my suggestion as a mid-point is to add the |16px to the icon section in {{Itembox/Row}} so that it is the same size as [[Item]]. -- (<span="help title=Morph>M o r p h | <span="help title=Morph_Contribution(s)_to_this_Wiki>C | <span="help title=Morph_Discussion_Page>T) MorphgnomeMorphdraenei 19:57, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
The size of the icon cannot be sized manually. It goes through {{Icon}}. --g0urra[T҂C] 20:13, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
{{Icon}} is a wowwiki template, not a mediawiki built-in. More, it advertises that it allows different icon sizes. {{Item}} uses a smaller icon. This is not an insurmountable problem, though it currently exceeds my own skills. I have referred the question to Starlightblunder, who has edited the Itembox template most recently. If we have to tear down every template in line to make this work, I will press on to do it. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 20:29, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
TYVM for your changes to my sandbox pages. I was missing some subtlety or another that you've found. Couple more things I want to do with the prototype before I call it quits, though. (right-align of quantity value, zebra striping of rows) --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 23:08, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Wiki template markup has a lot of the feel I imagine Lisp has, though I've not actually written anything in that... Stupid brackets... need an editor mod to catch mismatches... --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 23:15, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Would you please examine and render your opinion of the prototype I created here (via the sandbox pages you assisted with)? It does not have the full set of parameters, so is not a direct replacement as-is, but does provide those changes that made it acceptable to me. The alt class shading is light for my taste, but is much better than leaving the box unstriped. And the height of the resulting box, at one column, is no taller than the current box at two columns.

In the mean time, I will get back to my screenshot transcribing, leaving the rewards section alone if possible. I make no promise about not relocating it, but I do not recall you objecting to either relocation, or adding XP/money/rep to it where such details were lacking. Engineering items, with one exception, largely have ingredients unstubbing to do. ... which is a detail still under dispute, so I will let it sit for now. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 18:31, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

In what way more flexible? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 18:44, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

In a separate thought of lessening the irritation, is there a project to replace {{lootbox}} with {{itembox}} on quest pages generally? If so, bot or by hand? For most quest pages, I prefer even your itembox to lootbox. (But not necessarily universally.) --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 18:55, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

What DID I say about editing while you knew I was online? And no, rewards go after completion. If you want to be pedantic about it, rewards are displayed in the UI in both locations. I recall no vote to move them to before Progress. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 20:27, 2 April 2009 (UTC)


Many quotes from wowwiki aren't from trading cards,why just you don't let me add SOME on the warrior's abilies and talents. Just don't delete ANY MORE, I see you are intervening on most of the articles edited by others. -_- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by LyoN (talk · contr).

Yeah. Screw off! This is a GAME if you didn't notice, you jerk! The point is to HAVE FUN! Flavor text IS FUN! SO QUIT DELETING IT YOU ASSHOLE! --Yakeshi (talk) 21:28, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree, flavor text is fun and it doesn't detract from the information this site provides.Dukaso (talk) 11:51, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Ulduar Speculation

I having a major deal on 5 or 7 articles
I'd like you to confirm that we can post thing like :
"<NPC Name> might appear in the new Ulduar Raid as a flashback created by Yogg-saron, Voice files reveal his voice along with Ysera and Malygos when they created the Dragon Soul, wether or not Nozdormu and Alexstrasza will be there is unknown, but as all dragons was present at that time it's safe to assume they will. But wether or not he will appear in Dragon form or disguised form or if he will get a unique model or not is still unknown." Thanks. Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk) 14:29, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Warcraft relations map help


you left a comment in my talk page related to help with my Warcraft relations map project

Warcraft relations map

, I appreciate that, thank you! I haven't been working on it till today for a long time, but today I would like to make up something (workin' on it :)

I would need some help, that's true:

  1. I need some place to put it onto (project's own place) - any suggestions? (already placed)
  2. Delete the old snapshot (how?) (not important)
  3. Keep an eye on the project - to keep it truthful (corresponding to Warcraft history)
  4. Place some hyperlinks leading to it into relevant pages here on wowwiki

PS: please, how to make a hyperlink onto an image? I mean just hyperlink, NOT any thumbnail or image itself.. (already figured out)

--crysman 17:37, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Galen's Corpse

Gotta ask... Why is Category:Quest enders not appropriate for Galaen's Corpse? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 18:04, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Item articles: Source heading (re: Serrah's Star)

From the boilerplate:

<!--- If there is no summary text before this section do not use a heading. --->
== Source ==

--Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 21:20, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Counter editing

"Are you deliberately trying to do edits that are directly in conflict with mine? " I am glad you know how I feel. Your most recent edit on N [71] Mustering the Reds is capricious. Unless you have a specific reference for dealing with cut scene information in quests that you would care to share? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 22:22, 2 April 2009 (UTC)


Don't mark your edit as "Cleanup" when you leave mistakes at the same time. Click PREVIEW and check first.

Also, why are you making personal attacks just because you are having a dispute with another editor? I shouldn't have to point these things out to you.

--Raisky (talk) 02:03, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

To err is human. My friend the Preview button has sat alone in the dark for way to many of my own edits: these things happen even with the best of intentions. It helps that there are patrollers, and people with vested interests in particular pages. Like you, for instance. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 20:05, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

In the Name of the Light

In A [40D] In the Name of the Light, you (among other things) removed newlines/breaks between {{item}}s in the sidebar. I'm a real fan of formatting that doesn't carry a link around a wordwrap wherever possible. Taking your edit as a global rule would seem to do just that. (But not on that page, on my screen.) Did someone manage to replace spaces with nbsp's in names, in the item template? Am I over-generalizing (IE it was the "or"s that got to you)? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 19:56, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

 [Scourge Ghoul Collar]

So we don't put any disenchant info on the item pages then? Should I use  [Scourge Ghoul Collar] as a guide from now on? Thanks for the help. User:Bobalobabingbong/Sig1 12:55, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Lower Karazhan

Can you present any evidence that the area of Karazhan refered to in [1] is a different area to Lower Karazhan? If so please contact me, Melech (talk) 15:29, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

I misread the post, sorry. Melech (talk) 15:35, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

I think what this guy put on that article was ok, since that it was on the Wow-Europe Forums and that an Employee posted it himself.--IconSmall DragonBlue.gif Maelstrong 15:32, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Grizzly Hills-US Server Page

I've seen that you've been deleting the entire "Biography" section on Grizzly Hills-US Server Page ( ) I understand that you feel that this section is breaking a neutral point of view. I have been constantly trying to convince fellow players to maintain and preserve a neutral point of view when posting. However, I need your cooperation too. If you find that a post on our page breaks the NPOV, please delete that specific post, rather than the entire section.

An example:



He's considered the village idiot bcuz every1 hatez him lololol!


GM of Manifest Destiny


Recognized as the "Master of Pie"


If you believe that the biography of Airgon is breaking NPOV (Which it obviously is), please proceed to delete that specific post, instead of the whole section.

Thank you for listening (or reading), and I hope you can help our page.

Sincerely, --Felhearte (talk) 23:13, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


So if the biographies ARENT personal opinion, if they are a FACT, Will you keep them on the page? Example

Beckums GM of <Manifest Destiny>

It's NOT an opinion that he's the GM, its a fact. Instead of deleting the entire section of Biographies, please delete the specific opinions. Thanks.


Responding to your post on my page: The only thing that will stop them from posting GM of guilds is you. Whats wrong with information? Felhearte (talk) 02:45, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for fixing up my signature. Your spam filter didn't like the "Thanks!" title, lol. User:Bobalobabingbong/Sig1 02:16, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

RPG class template

Why isn't it lower case? This is the "class" template and in the RPG the "class" is lower case. It isn't the organization version. Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 10:19, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

So now that there are two templates, we have to put two templates into the class articles that are found in both the World of Warcraft RPG and the Warcraft RPG? Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 04:29, 15 April 2009 (UTC)


I am finding a lot of articles that are just copied verbatim from the source. Which stub or tag do we use? Cleanup? Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 11:28, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


Hello there. Not too long ago, I asked Barbara Goodson, the woman who voiced Lady Vashj, what did she like about her, on Facebook. She said she was strong, full of conviction and passionate. Do you think that should be added to Vashj's page? --Evilgramps (talk) 11:35, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Ok, thanksss! --Evilgramps (talk) 11:36, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
It's in my inbox and I don't think I can provide a screenshot of it --Evilgramps (talk) 11:40, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
See the newest revision of Lady Vashj. If it's not acceptable I am sorry and feel free to change it. --Evilgramps (talk) 11:50, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Sorry it took a while. I had to change from my laptop to my normal PC. If I upload it, how and where should I put the picture? --Evilgramps (talk) 12:04, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Ok I've uploaded it and how do I put the picture or a link from Lady Vashj's page? --Evilgramps (talk) 12:12, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Wouldn't that make the picture appear in the page? --Evilgramps (talk) 12:22, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Ok, I got it. Thank you very much for the help. --Evilgramps (talk) 12:25, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

NPC classes

What do we call the classes of any NPCs in WoW if not "NPC classes" now? Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 11:24, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Heroes' Bonescythe Battlegear

The page Heroes' Bonescythe Battlegear says that you can buy the tokens for emblems but there is no amount, I tried to put the amount there, but I couldn't find it in the edit window. I already asked Baggins but he redirected me to you. Can you change it or tell me how?thanks, Mezirsha (Talk)

The Book of Runes

Usually, you are not slow to correct me (regardless of my opinion on whether I need correcting). I am astounded that you have not yet commented or adjusted the quest progression section I put on  [The Book of Runes]. On this issue, I do solicit your opinion. I am not greatly satisfied with the format, but have no immediate ideas how to improve it. Would you please examine the page and tell me what you think? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 21:07, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Okay. Now explain why the horde quest is not at all relevant to the alliance quest that covers the same ground. And please provide some alternative that will illustrate the issue of missing quests. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 21:41, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Your reply is only tangentially related to the issue. Yes, a disambig line for a specific quest is called for. However, my changes throughout are intended to facilitate a hypothetical The Book of Runes quest chain that would discuss both chains at the same time. I must disagree with your return to the status quo on this issue.
My request was not a "do you think this belongs", it was "how shall we format this so that it does belong". Please suggest a format that will work usefully on a quest chain page, and I will implement it throughout. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 21:52, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Would a format like that used in The Terokkar Mana Bomb quest chain be more acceptable? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 21:54, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Talk page

please see my talk page for a sec,

Spell Haste project

I have erred. It appears that there were both Spell haste gems and Spell haste rating gems pages. I moved the latter to Haste rating gems before discovering that 'spell haste gems' was the more complete. Could you correct this? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 22:35, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Algalon the Observer

Hey, just hoping I did the link for the video properly. Let me know if there's anything I did wrong, and if so, how to fix said mistakes for the future. Thanks in advance! ( Also, how do you construct a sig similar to yours like this? Again, thanks in advance :D) Shayser Stormwhisper (talk) 18:06, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Ah, gotcha. I see the edit. Thanks for fixing it. On the note of my last post, how's the sig work? :) Shayser Stormwhisper (talk) 19:08, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

The Warning

Hi, Gourra. Do you think is funny to work half an hour in an article just to get your changes reverted just without an explanation, then ask in the talk page without receiving and answer? I think not, the reason that I put the full transcript and some screenshots was to compesate the video, the video was "removed due to terms of use violation" by Youtube, the Wowwiki copyright policy say that: "There are only two ways that we can use ideas, text, and images from Blizzard's works:

  1. With Blizzard's clear permission."

If the video was removed obviously Blizzard doesn't give permisson of adding it to youtube and if Blizzard does't want it in youtube I think it doesn't want here either.

Also you may note that I changed the introduction as it had quoted things and the quote were incorrect and you even reverted that! Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 16:27, 25 April 2009 (UTC)


Hi, this is my first talk comment thing, and I would like some help on my page, not directly people editing it, but where to look ,etc. Azkaner (talk) 14:01, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


yeah sorry for that picture im quite new to this one can only learn by doing eh

Patched Icon

The {{Patched}} icon would only show up on |patch= not on hotfixes or such -- I only added it because A'noob had manualy added the Icon-patch-22x22.png icon to Tier 8 patch info and it looked apropriate - (<span="help title=Morph>M o r p h | <span="help title=Morph_Contribution(s)_to_this_Wiki>C | <span="help title=Morph_Discussion_Page>T) MorphgnomeMorphdraenei 11:54, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Not approved

I was told that "If you're going to make specific mob pages like that, you don't need to create a subpage and place it here for requested move. Just make it on the main space, remembering to use the {{npcbox}} template." and I thought that was a real NPC which is why I put it on the main space. Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 13:42, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Bashal'Aran quest

Sorry, but A [12] Bashal'Aran really does belong as A [12] Bashal'Aran. The fact that there is a note at the top announcing the quest chain, and the quest chain LIST at the bottom, is sufficient disambiguation. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 22:09, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

The first quest with the same name should end with "(1)", and the name of the quest (in this example "Bashal'aran") would be a redirect to the first one, or a disambiguation of the different types. --g0urra[T҂C] 22:33, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
Not so historically, not so via the discussion on quest naming I recall, not so by policy and not so currently with other quests I have examined. Feel free to propose a change to policy. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 22:37, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

container objects

I'll add Category:World of Warcraft container objects to those various items, I guess, but as the vast majority of objects encountered in the game would qualify under that definition - and the category is easily confused with Category:World of Warcraft container items - I consider the category ill considered. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 20:39, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

If the other similar articles aren't with the category, then remove it. And if you can't see the difference between a container item and a container object, I'm not sure what to tell you. --g0urra[T҂C] 21:08, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
Your use of that category appears correct, given the rest of the contents of the category. As for telling the difference between an 'item' and an 'object', I'm not who you should be telling. Explain it to the newbs. ... why I added a definition to the category. But yes, it DID take me a moment to realize what was going on. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 21:12, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Strand of the Ancients Battlemaster

Why was this deleted? Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 06:14, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Rare Cache of Winter

I added the "hard" to each, because when you look at Hodir's drops section, you don't know which one his the Hard or the Normal. (Normal Mode, Heroic Mode, Normal Mode, Heroic Mode)

Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk) 11:34, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Can you "move" image pages?

I wonder if you can move image pages. I suspect you managed too, but, perhaps, I'm wrong. If you can, it would be nice to have, for example, all the comic covers under the same naming-style.--Lon-ami (talk) 17:58, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

I still don't know how :(.(Check User talk:Lon-ami)--Lon-ami (talk) 19:12, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm taking this to the forum so everyone can give his opinion and you aren't the only one making the entire work. Better explanation included, too. Forum:Image naming policy --Lon-ami (talk) 20:08, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

offical name 'Invasion on Northrend' ?

Do you know any offical names for my topic? i was going for Battle against the Lich King as used in the Nexur war topic. Gorvar (talk) 10:09, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

The Collector

Question: Why use {{loot}} when you could use {{item}}, in the tooltip? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 19:52, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I'm serious in my asking. I'd been under the impression that {{item}} was the preferred template because it gained quality info from the source page. That is, less change required if quality is changed, at the cost of more DB hits. On that basis, I replace loot with item when I'm editing other things, but it's not something that I stop everything to edit out. If you've a particular reason for using it, I don't want to frivolously "correct" you. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 20:08, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Case in point: N [80] Eliminate the Competition If the two are equivalent, why do YOU care enough to change them back to using {{loot}}? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 20:16, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

It is NOT in the Patchnotes that was released in the game (only in the WEB patch notes)

Read your Patch.txt file again -- that is what I just went by - Only patch notes mean nothing - they get erased or put so far down the list you cant ever find them - I made the txt match the notes that EVERYONE gets when the do the update- and put the web notes in the Undocumented - because of reason stated at beginning. -- (<span="help title=Morph>M o r p h | <span="help title=Morph_Contribution(s)_to_this_Wiki>C | <span="help title=Morph_Discussion_Page>T) MorphgnomeMorphdraenei 16:28, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

May as well leave it on the Documented changes page because there are only 2 changes that were listed on the Undocumented changes page,both are listed in the on the documented changes, so I marked the Undocumented changes pages with {{sd|<The information listed here is also on the Documented changes - so this page is not needed>}} tag -- (<span="help title=Morph>M o r p h | <span="help title=Morph_Contribution(s)_to_this_Wiki>C | <span="help title=Morph_Discussion_Page>T) MorphgnomeMorphdraenei 16:51, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Boilerplate suggestion wanted

If you have time, please could you suggest an appropriate template for the (significantly) updated and restructured Security_guide on the Talk Page? I may have time to continue editing the article next week (depends what happens at the interview tomorrow). Many thanks! Tequima (talk) 17:02, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

{{Arena rewards}}

Why did you remove Arenas 1, 2, 3 and 4 -- The template is on all of the arena seasons so should show all of the rewards ( past and current ) not just the current ones - (<span="help title=Morph>M o r p h | <span="help title=Morph_Contribution(s)_to_this_Wiki>C | <span="help title=Morph_Discussion_Page>T) MorphgnomeMorphdraenei 14:31, 23 May 2009 (UTC)


Please stop undoing the amendments to pages listing the achievement gains - they are gains to quests, like reputation and gold rewards are. Also, Level 70s DO NOT get cash, not only that, Level 80s don't appear to get extra cash again. Undoing changes removing such leaves incorrect information on the relevant pages. sanderdolphin 18:30, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

I thought it was pretty obvious that a quest in the Blade's Edge Mountains quests category count toward the Blade's Edge Mountains quests achievement, but I guess not. Same goes for the "3000 Quests" achievement. Both are redundant, and not needed. If anything should be noted, it would be that a quest does not count toward an achievement. --g0urra[T҂C] 18:34, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
You don't know much about achievements then. Many don't give achievements to the zone listed, and others give achievements but are listed in other zones. Also, please don't split conversations between two pages, it makes it harder for people to read the context. sanderdolphin 18:58, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

"Increases 21"

Or does it? -- foxlit (talk) 14:39, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Aprendix 3

Gourra may I ask you, why are you deleting everything from the Aprendix three if we haven't come to a conclusion? Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 17:43, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Can you please stop deleting articles and answer me? Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 18:16, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

"Which ones did you have in mind? In my opinion if it's been said in later RPG books that they have been declared invalid then they should be removed, otherwise it should stay. --gOurra[T҂C] 16:06, 23 May 2009 (UTC) Which ones did you have in mind? In my opinion if it's been said in later RPG books that they have been declared invalid then they should be removed, otherwise it should stay. --gOurra[T҂C] 16:06, 23 May 2009 (UTC)"

Minor correction, atually no later source books actually said that.Baggins (talk) 17:41, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Been discussed that the first rank is linked.

Hardly, for talents at least. The only consensus was for spells, {{elinks-spell/ranks}} in particular, which is not what I was using.

The last word on talents was "Yes, you should use {{elinks-talent}}, if it works for you. The important thing is to start getting external links added for at least the Rank 1 version of a spell or talent. Currently, most of them don't have this." and no one disagreed with that. So I think either template is fine. -Howbizr (talk) 18:17, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I saw that, but PCJ doesn't equal consensus. Like I said, Fandy's comment was the last comment by an admin specifically about talents and not spells. I can only assume since comments died off, it's because they had no disagreement, so that was the consensus (that either is fine).
Start up the thread again or raise a vote if you think I'm mistaken in my assumptions. -Howbizr (talk) 18:48, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
I have a question then! Why have {{Elinks-talent|<11095>|<12872>|<12873>}} if you are only going to list the 1st rank with {{Elinks-spell|<11095>}}? If there are multiple levels then they should be listed for convenience ( it does not hurt or take up that much space - it fills the space in better in my opinion ) -- and as -Howbizr mentioned at least they will have an External Link either way -- (<span="help title=Morph>M o r p h | <span="help title=Morph_Contribution(s)_to_this_Wiki>C | <span="help title=Morph_Discussion_Page>T) MorphgnomeMorphdraenei 22:01, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Why does it matter that much to you to link every single rank? They are already in "See also" or "Related" links on the spell's page on Wowhead, Thottbot or Allakhazam. The only difference it would make to link every rank is that there would be a change, but that is redundant as the amount of ranks and what changers there are between the ranks are already described on the talent's or ability's article. That's why there's a rank table.
In short: use {{Elinks-spell}}. It's much cleaner and takes up much less space. --g0urra[T҂C] 22:06, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Your reply explanation is a sufficient answer, but you asked me why link them all - my reply is again " The convience " - why would I find a spell here - then go to Wowhead, Thottbot, or any other site to find out there are more ranks to the spell / talent - They are NOT always listed as a See also section and agaim in my opinion - it fills out the External links section without clutter and makes it easier to go to the other ranks ( that I might not have known about before ) -- But again your answer is a suficient answer as to why use {{Elinks-spell|<11095>}} over {{Elinks-talent|<11095>|<12872>|<12873>}} -- (<span="help title=Morph>M o r p h | <span="help title=Morph_Contribution(s)_to_this_Wiki>C | <span="help title=Morph_Discussion_Page>T) MorphgnomeMorphdraenei

Cross language

I've already changed and done everthing...

Look here:

And everthing is in place every where needed

For the EU/ES and FR/DE, I think we should let it, because "EU" refers mostly to EN realms.

PS: Besides it seems you started after me your creations :p

IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 13:22, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Server Medivh

Stop please, you're mixing the article.
It's all the first, an then then tables.
I spent so much time on it, don't ruin everything because I've a point with you on the language groups...
IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 14:11, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
Let me do it please, it will save the form.
IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 14:20, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Battlegroup naming

Looking at the Battlegroup page, we see that:
  • US battlegroups are named "<name> US"
  • FR battlegroups are named "<name> FR"
  • DE battlegroups are named "<name> DE"
  • ES battlegroups was named "<name> ES"
  • RU battlegroups are named "<name> RU"
  • CH battlegroups are named "<name> CH"
  • EU cross-language battlegroups are named "<name> EU"
So why are the EN battlegroups named "<name> EU"?
Shouldn't we change them for "<name> EN"?
IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 10:15, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Ok, so I start it now.
IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 13:35, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
I realise that at the moment we do not have any of these yet. But, what happens when Blizzard start seperating the US servers into EN (English) and MX (Spanish) as well as having Cross-language battlegroups in the US region. US will have to be changed to EN? -- (<span="help title=Morph>M o r p h | <span="help title=Morph_Contribution(s)_to_this_Wiki>C | <span="help title=Morph_Discussion_Page>T) MorphgnomeMorphdraenei 16:20, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
I've found some Server articles using the infobox server template, which responds badly to the "EU" -> "EN" change.
I've looked to the code, but can't find the source.
IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 13:56, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Edit: Finish. 4 Servers are using the infobox server template:
Server:Azjol-Nerub Europe, Server:Bloodscalp Europe and Server:Doomhammer Europe from Battlegroup EN Blackout
Server:Moonglade Europe from Battlegroup EN Reckoning
But redirection from EU to EN seems to solve everything.

missing icon

I need a bit of help with [Meteorite Crystal]. The icon for this trinket looks like this but I can't find it anywhere on WoWwiki -- either I'm blind or it's simply not here. Could you either upload it or point out to me its name? --Vysogota T / C

Where did you see the [Meteorite Crystal]? It is not on the WoWArmory page either, so it may not actualy be ingame yet. MMO Champion sometimes list data-mined informattion / images from the game files - but that does not mean it is ingame yet. -- (<span="help title=Morph>M o r p h | <span="help title=Morph_Contribution(s)_to_this_Wiki>C | <span="help title=Morph_Discussion_Page>T) MorphgnomeMorphdraenei 16:09, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
It definitely is ingame -- dropped yesterday for the guild Wraith. Check their homepage if you don't believe me. --Vysogota T / C

Refgame template

Hi Gourra. I have noticed that you deleted[2] the {{Ref game}} template from the bonechewer article, but why? Or do we just keep the template as adornment? If you want I will not use it anymore, but if I take the time to fill most of the blanks (believe me, it gives lazyness to fill it all times that I cite a WoW quest) why don't you just leave it? Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 15:23, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

So should I use it for the RTSs only? Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 15:28, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

WoWhead Thumbnail Subject

Thank you, I appreciate it. VraulIconTINY.gif Vraul Jawrip (talk · contr) () 02:51, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


I noticed you edited my image page which led me to your user page and ultimately to this question:

Do you mind if I use your character table as a template to create my own? I have already created mine using that one on my user page, but if that is a problem it can be removed. Gwash (talk) 15:09, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Activities at 70

You killed it, you cook it. Keeping the "70" page is useful: 1) for historical purposes, or 2) to people who do not have the WotLK expansion. The second is a sorely limited group. My take on the page was specifically "activities at the level cap". --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 18:03, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Spider (mob)

Just so ya know, that does push one of my buttons: removing stuff from a page indicating it should go elsewhere ... without actually fixing the 'elsewhere'. Personally, I think "Spider (critter)" is more what you had in mind. "Spider (mob)" is entirely too synonymous to me with Spider. (I'm assuming that you take the latter to be a lore or disambiguation page.) --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 18:30, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Shattered Hand

I figured out that the The Shattered Hand was in fact the Shattered Hand clan who took part in Thrall's Horde.

But the first article tells things already (and in a better way) said in the seconde one.

It tagged it for merge, but does it really requires a debate ? Isn't Speedydelete better ?

IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 17:56, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I think a redirect should be better than and speedy delete. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 18:02, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Another question about the citations

Hi Gourra. I saw that you deleted most of the {{Ref rpg}} template information in this edit: [3] in the red dagonflight article. Can you tell me why? I don't understand why we have this template if it isn't going to be used. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 23:00, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

I have been wondering about the removal as well ({{Ref game}} too), but it seems I was beat to it. It was once called a "wall of text"[4], so that may be the reason. The citations are being replaced with a "<ref>Source, page #</ref>" format. I do not know if this is a final solution or not. {{t|Cite}} needed to go, but why the others? I disagree with it.--SWM2448 23:19, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
I also disagree. It makes it look more professional and the authors are also credited for their work. Besides the templates are already made and people had taken their time to fill the blanks. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 17:59, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

RP (fanfiction)

I saw on your main page that you hate ppl who write up their own detailed expansions and fanfic. What's wrong with that? I think you meddle to much in people's edits, as if you dominated WoWWiki somehow. --User:ShandrisForever 12:32, 9 June 2009 (UTC)


For working on the Chartable/Row template with me. It's a really nice template, but it was not updated for WotLK. I learned some new syntax from your changes, thanks!

Arack00 (talk) 19:24, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Describing adepts

Why describe adepts? Perhaps because it is a descriptive noun that is not in common English usage? ... and which is not actually described by pointing at mob pages and yowling "there be examples"? While I disagree with Rolandius' method of describing what an adept is (a reference to Wikipedia might have been more appropriate than ones to D&D sources), I don't find such a definition categorically out of place on a lore page. I note that since then, the page has been rewritten. I have to wonder if Rolandius' efforts might have been influential in "sooner rather than later" on that. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 19:06, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Manual of Monsters/Appendix Three

Why are you reverting my edit?[5] Why is it wrong to keep it that way? Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 20:14, 14 June 2009 (UTC)


Thank you for spreading implementation of the {{documentation}} template. Much appreciated.--Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 20:04, 15 June 2009 (UTC)


Gourra, why are you protecting Dreamskull's page? It's nothing but a self-righteous troll rant that has misleading and fictional information. One that shouldn't be on a website as cool as The whole thing is nothing but lies, idiocy, and his failing attempts at being something that he is not.

Dreamskull is nothing more than a useless idiot who's hated by everyone on Moon Guard.

So why are you protecting him? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Omglolwut (talk · contr).

Vandalizing his user page doesn't exactly help your case. --g0urra[T҂C] 07:44, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

R.E. Failskull

Got your attention, didn't it?

Simply put, his page is vandalism in and of itself. It's nothing but lies and fiction he posted to make himself feel good.

Trash like that doesn't belong on wowwiki.

How many times in your life, both online and off, have you gone to someone with a problem and been left scratching your head going wtf when they claim it's dealt with, but really it isn't. My "vandalism" as you put it obviously got your attention or we wouldn't be talking. Though, I can name a few people who feel the same way as I do about Dreamskull, I'm just the first to take action so to speak. -- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Omglolwut (talk · contr).

The fuss is, as always, that his lies and sewage-spew stories are nothing but hinderances, if you actually knew him you would agree. Dreamskull is the kind of guy who makes up anything to get attention, his page included, lies shouldn't be on wowwiki. Even if it's just a user page, it's still idiotic and demeans the whole site. Dreamskull is nothing but a zit on the ass of wowwiki.

Hello Gourra I see you on my talk page

Hello I see you on my talk page and you mentioned if I needed help, so I have a little question...

I am doing some edits for the first time and I am trying to link an item to Wowhead for those neat little window things when you move your mouse over it. How do I do this?

I am trying to make this into one:  [Glyph of Mirror Image]

Thank you

PS Do you send me a PM to respond or how does this work? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shadowmages (talk · contr).

{{loot|common|Glyph of Mirror Image}}: [Glyph of Mirror Image] --PcjWowpedia wiki manager (TDrop me a line!C207,729 contributions and counting) 18:45, 16 June 2009 (UTC)


Moved to Forum:Race capitalization.

Display/Editing problem

Since you were so kind to offer help, the page for H [80] Changing the Wind's Course is giving me pains. The quest rewards refuse to display properly, and even though I created a page for [Iceshrieker's Touch] (twice now, I have no idea about that either) it refuses to link the item or tooltip -- although it has somehow picked up the icon and links properly if clicked. I notice it displays and links properly from this page.

Check them out, and on my contribution history to see the other (apparently broken, as it displays improperly) [Iceshrieker's Touch] page. Any advice or solutions would be appreciated. -- Joeartguy (talk) 18:56, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Quick multiboxing article question

I've got a quick question on Talk:Multiboxing software. Thanks! Articles with financial interests just aren't fun... Kirkburn  talk  contr 19:39, 18 June 2009 (UTC)


thanks mate!!!!!!!!!!!!


What browser to do you use? And ya... I'm having a really hard time getting the CSS to cooperate with all those misc floats on my user page. I tried all kinds of things (moving stuff about) to avoid the divs with no success. /chomp‎ Howbizr(t·c) 1:17 PM, 20 Jun 2009 (EDT)

That's weird... Your change made it jump half a page down on my screen. I'd be happy to simplify if possible. Maybe I'll mess with it again after lunch. I had messed with the various {{clr}}/{{clrr}}/{{clrl}} in various places and couldn't avoid the jumping. Even the way I have it now, it's clearing at the wrong place. Maybe it's just the TOC that's screwing everything up.. hmm. /chomp‎ Howbizr(t·c) 1:47 PM, 20 Jun 2009 (EDT)
Ya the clear is happening after the "character" block so there's a huge gap between the <h2> "just alerting you" and when you actually see the picture (at least in the style sheet I'm viewing it in). /chomp‎ Howbizr(t·c) 3:53 PM, 20 Jun 2009 (EDT)
Figured it out. Let me know if it looks bad in your skin. /chomp‎ Howbizr(t·c) 4:08 PM, 20 Jun 2009 (EDT)

Help me out?

Hey brah, I can see that the page I was going to use for a profile for my MMORPG character was deleted because it was improperly named and/or lacked content other than that little thing I put up, that said it was stub. I'm pretty sure if I added my server name to the title I could have avoided some of this mess, buut could you please explain to me what exactly I did wrong, so I don't make the same mistake twice? Step-by-step instructions would be pretty helpful, because the page for creating and naming player character articles kind of sucks at giving instructions. Thanks in advance, Super Braah. --Super Bhaal (talk) 19:30, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Underwater breathing

Howbizr created a category Underwater Breathing, but without a parent. Any thoughts on where it should go? --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 18:37, 24 June 2009 (UTC)


You and Rolandius do seem to go 'round and 'round each other. May I be of any assistance? Perhaps I may be able to provide a different view on things that would ease how much he gets on your nerves. Not that I don't do that myself, but our exchanges seem to be a lot shorter, and perhaps less frustrating thereby. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 18:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

I won't be able to relieve you of him entirely (you notice things I don't), but if you find you 'aren't getting through' on something, do let me know. I also have no guarantee that I'd be better at communicating, only different. Sometimes, it's enough. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 18:53, 25 June 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for you corrections, I sort of got the idea by looking at other items, but seems I missed...stuff. Learning by doing, and watching others corrections. Hope I'm not too much of an inconvenience.TherasTaneel (talk) 23:23, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Why do you delete the categories? D:

The categories you're deleting are empty just because we haven't started yet to move the content there. It's all part of the RTS units project.--Lon-ami (talk) 15:47, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

User talk:Lon-ami#Warcraft III categories

<Race> (playable)

Since we splited all playable race articles from the main race articles to split Lore and Game mechanics, the Infobox used for all <Race> (playable) don't fit much a basic game description.

I've ended up creating this new template Infobox Playable. It resumes the main points of the playable race in-game (name, race crest, faction, its classes (wow), its two languages, starting zone, racial capital, racial leader, racial mount).

All races are listed here: User:A'noob/Draft.

The goal is to have something completelty (or mostly) splited from Lore.

If you can think of anything else let me know, and tell me if you think I can set it on the playable race articles.

IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 17:50, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Val'kyr Twins

What is the source of all the article Val'kyr Twins? the Raid/dugeon is still closed on PTR, so doesn't all the article's content fall under WP:DNP?

IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 12:39, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Edit: You got it first.

Can you restore the page when the dungeon goes live? I don't wanna rewrite it all... --User:ShandrisForever 18:25, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Sure, I will. --g0urra[T҂C] 19:23, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Now as the page exists, could you implement some of my info into it? Reddwarf created his own version, but I had more spells and strategy. Thanks. --User:ShandrisForever 08:27, 13 July 2009 (UTC)


If I made a trial account for WoW:LK and it expired, could I buy just regular WoW and still play it on that? Polo Boy (talk) 19:22, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, you can upgrade a trial account to the full and keep those the toons you created. I'm not sure on the time limit, as in if you have to upgrade before the trial is over, or if you have so many days after it. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 20:07, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Patchbox changes

Why did you now revert my {{Patchbox}} changes - that show UC when there are undocumented changes only if there were ?? -- and why did you wait so long - I did that over 3 - 4 weeks ago -- (M o r p hJames E. Rooks, Jr. aka: Morph
Morphgnome & Morphdraenei
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The UC links on the Next and Previous was for quick access to them without having to go to next patch (forward or reverse ) then click Undocumented then click next or previous and then Undocumented - we could go from Undocumented to undocumented 1 step less ( UC is only 2 letters ) - it was not too much - other than the link to the Current Undocumented ( that is what made it tight ) not the UC on the Next and Previous changes ) -- (M o r p hJames E. Rooks, Jr. aka: Morph
Morphgnome & Morphdraenei
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If you two can find a way to do it, I would appreciate if the "next" and "previous" had UC links, because when I do research I page through all the official notes, and sometimes I go back again and page through all the unofficial (which is twice as many clicks). There isn't a way that I know of to restrict searching to just the Patches and hotfixes, so it's pretty tedious. /chomp‎ Howbizr(t·c) 1:36 PM, 6 Jul 2009 (EDT)
How about a comprimise? UC shows below the Prev and Next ( no Current in middle ) thus just making it taller and not wider? -- (M o r p hJames E. Rooks, Jr. aka: Morph
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Editing Question

On the pages for Blacksmithing recipes (such as the one for Blacksmithing/RecipeTable/Apprentice), there is a transclude tag to indicate a linked page. The tag appears on the Blacksmithing page itself when I drop in the ajax format to make the embedded tables collapsible -- as they are on the other profession pages, such as Enchanting -- but which did not appear on the original non-collapsible embedded format.

The other profession recipe lists (such as Apprentice enchanting formulas do not have this tag, which appears useful. Is there a way to keep it from displaying in the collapsible versions of the tables? Is it still needed, and can it be safely deleted? If so, does there need to be discussion before it can be deleted? Joeartguy (talk) 15:20, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

What else but Rolandius?

The Wiki shows his contributions have been limited to his talk page for the last several days. I notice you went out of your way to block him from his own talk page, and then again from email. I see nothing on his talk page that would be worthy of being blocked from it, so I can only assume that your issue was specifically the email. Unless you can provide a specific complaint against his recent additions to his own talk page, would you return that permission? You will note that his comment about the Owlbear image was acted on (and so presumed correct). His Race vs Mob question deserves consideration as well. Action? I don't know. But certainly consideration. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 18:37, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Image problem

What is the deal? /chomp‎ Howbizr(t·c) 3:57 PM, 12 Jul 2009 (EDT)

Arena enchants

There are a number of arena Enchantment items (ala scroll of enchant X). I noticed you'd edited one, and thought it useful to ask you: should they also be placed under the appropriate enchantment category, or (better, IMO) under Category:Augments? Thought you'd be more familiar with the items, have a better handle on where they should go. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 17:47, 15 July 2009 (UTC)


How come the Ghostlands book says "In the ruins of the Ghostlands..." for instance but you keep turning it into " Ghostlands..."? Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 16:52, 18 July 2009 (UTC)


What is the difference between these two articles I made, Stromgarde Defenders and Stromgarde Snipers Company, and these other two, Stormwind City Guard and Stormwind Guard? The two I made you moved and these other two stay? Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 04:19, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Warcraft III units

More than one user has complained about the dead links that fill {{Warcraft III units}}. I'm not holding you to anything, but what's the status on it? Do you have any information that would help fix/finish this? It would be nice.--SWM2448 01:08, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


Hi, I call on you to stop Rolandius from removing content from Organization without following any disscussion on the talk page.

Your mediation is required.

IconSmall Hamuul.gif Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 10:40, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Gourra, why are you putting races and single mobs back as organizations? Rolandius Paladin.gif (talk - contr) 10:47, 26 July 2009 (UTC)


Do we have a new namespace like <quest name>, Guild:<guild name + Server info>, etc ... I thought that one should have been named [Charger]. -- (M o r p hJames E. Rooks, Jr. aka: Morph
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Just FYI... Actual namespaces cause more disruption to the wiki than pseudo namespaces]. Currently we have distinct namespaces for: Guild, User, Server, Forum, and Portal. Quest and Achievement would then be pseudo namespaces. For a list, you can just bring up the wowwiki search page. --Eirik Ratcatcher (talk) 18:54, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
Somewhere in the /dev space, or village pump archives, or both, is the original discussion about achievement namespace. I don't remember why, but I was told that achievement articles were not going to have a namespace (psuedo or otherwise). /chomp‎ Howbizr(t·c) 1:31 PM, 7 Aug 2009 (EDT)
Correct, back before Wrath came out I had asked about that before we started adding the achievements into the game (when we were 1st setting up the achievement pages) and Kirkburn had stated he did not see a reason to do so at the time, so we did not do so, but the other day Gourra had just added Achievement:Charger - so I had asked on that day and then later noticed we also had Achievement:Explore Darkshore as well as Achievement:Explore Elwynn Forest. Since then Eirik Ratcatcher has moved them to the proper naming techniques [Charger] etc ... . -- (M o r p hJames E. Rooks, Jr. aka: Morph
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Minor edits

Just FYI, I think you have "minor" auto checked accidentally. You're doing some pretty heavy boilerplating and they're being marked as minor with no comment. /chomp‎ Howbizr(t·c) 11:13 AM, 7 Aug 2009 (EDT)