User talk:WardsJames

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Welcome! PeterWind (talk) 04:12, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much ! James Wards (talk) 09:34, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Deceased mobs

Heya, I'm not sure if putting "deceased" to majority of named quest mob or raid bosses is the correct way to go. While it definitely makes sense because there's a quest that asks for someone's head, for example, such quests in the Classic Barrens and the Wetlands were never reflected in lore, and some goblins and humans in those zones are still alive in Cata. How Blizzard tend to work with NPC death is that they need to confirm in an additional / latter source. For example, when UVG came out it, confirmed the death of two naga in Zangarmarsh and only then they were given the deceased tag with the source provided on their pages here. That's why named mobs, in general, don't have the deceased tag, as you can see. There are of course exceptions, especially in the newest expansions where the story progresses more dynamically I guess. However, I suspect you went by the tables in the Scarlet Crusade and Cult of the Damned pages where they are tagged as deceased, which honestly, after giving it a thought, may be misleading in respect to the reason they were never given deceased tag in their infoboxes. What are your thoughts? And other editors? --HordeRace bloodelf male.jpg Mordecay (talk) 11:51, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, thank you for your feedback! After reading, I thought about it, indeed your guess is the correct one, I arrived a little while ago and after having observed a lot of your work on the wikipedia I wanted to learn how to do the same and help the community.

I had actually observed the scarlet page, and by observing the death notices and the quests that asked to kill the said NPCs / bosses, I took the initiative to do the same on other pages. I never received any feedback, not even after corrections from other users on other elements of the page after i went to change status, but now i understand.

What should I do ? Should I correct my mistakes by removing all the death notices I have placed ? Or just stop and leave as it ?

James Wards (talk) 13:24, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Understood. This comment sparked an idea to open the discussion. No worries, as on one hand, it makes sense, and by all means, they should be dead if quests ask to kill them, but Blizz tend to bring them back or, as in some Cata cases, not remove them and ignore quests. I'm not entirely sure either what to do next; it's not entirely incorrect, but I guess it would be better to have an additional source confirming their death in story. IMO, it should be enough to have Killable when there is not an additional quest / source confirming their death. Also, if they are tagged as deceased, they probably need the Deceased characters category. For now, lets wait for others to give their thoughts. --HordeRace bloodelf male.jpg Mordecay (talk) 13:03, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
I don't think we need to go back and remove all the "Deceased" notes that have already been added, since it's not a huge deal, but IMO mobs (including quest mobs and bosses) should just be tagged as Killable unless there's another source that confirms that they're canonically dead. --IconSmall TrollDeathKnight Male.gif DeludedTroll (talkcontribs) 15:50, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
Mordecay explained what I think, so that's that :D But to add something, I'd guess there's no need to revert them except important people which would be preferable to be left ambiguous. --Ryon21 (talk) 17:03, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for your feedback, I took the opportunity to correct a large part of the pages that I had edited, especially in the Scarlet Crusade, the Twilight's Hammer and alors the Cult of the Damned after seeing Morderio's editing requests on the status ! --James Wards (talk) 18:50, 14 November 2020 (UTC)