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How are we going to be handling the leveling for the Infoboxes? Like 1-60 for original zones, 60-80 for TBC and Wotlk, and 80-90 for Cata and Mists of Pandaria? Or try to keep the original level of the NPC/Mob?

--— Surafbrov T / C / P 12:44, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

I guess it'll depend on how the WoW database will evolve? If the WoW database, readable through wowhead, lose all level-related information, we'll have a hard time to figure out the original level of quests and NPCs ... Xporc (talk) 12:51, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Plus there's also eventual Classic servers to consider... Xporc (talk) 15:55, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
Within 3-5 years is my guess for those. Though since the events of Cataclysm, many zones were torn and changed up with new levels so... I've noticed overtime that we are still missing some mobs/NPCs like I found one that's been in the game since MoP launched but never created a page on Wowpedia and we are already at legion. I've also noticed some articles from Vanilla missing. Since the introduction to this scaling zones, which I think is going to be fantastic (because leveling alts can be a bore) but it scares me that the fact some articles are missing that could make the original impossible to know. I think it'd be best to change them to a level range. It's what I am guessing unless Wowhead does something with the data it has on the levels. — Surafbrov T / C / P 16:11, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
Yeah lots of old stuff still missing unfortunately. Just gotta truck on, and hopefully we'll get it all in time, if not in time for scalings, then perhaps at least before the next cataclysm! :) PeterWind (talk) 17:59, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Patch changes

Start adding it to mobs, yay or nay? Mordecay (talk) 13:10, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Frankly, I'd rather avoid it and leave things as they are. About 75% of the content on the wiki is now outdated in term of levels (for quests, zones and mobs) and ilevels (for items) anyway Xporc (talk) 13:15, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
Personally I'd prefer not adding it for the same reason I think we shouldn't add mention of the stat squish in the Patch changes section of every single item and NPC article. It's such an (almost) global, all-encompassing change that pointing it out on each and every individual article seems superfluous to me. If one knows that Northrend now scales from 60-80, I don't think one really needs to be repeatedly informed of that fact every time one looks up Niffelem Frost Giant or Graymist Hunter. -- IconSmall TrollDeathKnight Male.gif DeludedTroll (talkcontribs) 22:11, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
This. Also for the same reason we shouldn't (IMO) have a "patch 6.0.2: updated player model" note for each mob or character from the main races. Xporc (talk) 22:13, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Bump. Xporc (talk) 13:25, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
Specifically with regards to the 6.0.2 model change, that was left off largely because it was essentially an optional toggle rather than a global change (though now that that option's gone...). As to your argument about "75% of the content is outdated anyway," that seems like a terrible reason not to document something. That being said, given the vastness of the task, it's rarely something I do when I'm not already editing the page for another reason--and then typically only because its level wasn't updated for Cataclysm, and the level it was changed to is no longer listed on Wowhead because of the scaling change. -- DarkTZeratul (talk) 20:25, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
Mh, good points. No opposition from me then. Sorry. Xporc (talk) 13:57, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Stat squish

With Warlords of Draenor, it introduced a stat squish. This affected every item in the game since Mists of Pandaria and all the way back to Vanilla. That is a lot of items to include *{{Patch 6.0.2|note=Stat squished.}}. Now with BfA, introducing not only another stats squish but the item level squish. This affects every item in the game from Legion all the way back to Classic. Just think about it. That's a lot of items. The items from MoP to Classic will include two stats squish and the item level squish in the patch changes. This is just way too much, and pretty much every item you visit that wasn't introduced in BfA will have some sort of stat squish on its page. This also works similarly to the whole 6.0.2 model update that updated player character models which also affected NPCs of the same race. These changes should be omitted, it's just too much. — Surafbrov T / C / P 21:35, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

And in two more expansions another squish will likely take place. Snake.gifSssssssssssssssssssssssss Coobra sig3.gifFor Pony! (Sssss/Slithered) 15:56, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
Even though Blizzard stated that they want to avoid this kind of thing again, I can see it happening it. — Surafbrov T / C / P 22:48, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
I can see "it's too much" as a reason not to actively add it to every page. I don't see it as a reason to explicitly leave it out. -- DarkTZeratul (talk) 23:00, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
It has the same effect as having "Model updated" on every single human NPC in the game. Yet, we chosed to leave that out. — Surafbrov T / C / P 23:03, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
For reasons other than "it's too much work", though. See above. -- DarkTZeratul (talk) 23:05, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
DeludedTroll makes a good point above on this "issue". Other than that, scratching the "it's too much work." and the other reasons. I think it is just a matter of if we should vote to include these kind of things or not. If we choose to do so, it'll take sometime to get everything but at least it would be known to the community that it is okay to include these in the patch changes section. — Surafbrov T / C / P 23:13, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Bumping it because the discussion is dead but not forgotten. Should we include this or not? We already have two expansions that did this (6.0.2 with the stats squish and 8.0.1 with the stats squish AND item level squish.) It is possible that Blizzard may do this again in a future expansion, although they said they might handle it differently. — Surafbrov T / C / P 08:04, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

back in legion i was in favor of adding the squish in patch notes, but now that there have been two of ‘em it seems a little silly. noting “Stats squished,” two different times on every item page is a bit much, when it isn’t really all that useful or interesting to note —Eithris (talk) 16:07, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
Yea, I was in the same boat when this happened in Warlords. But since BfA did the same thing, I thought about it... and it is just too much to update about a simple squish that happened. Having an article about it and mentioning on the expansion's article is enough, IMO. — Surafbrov T / C / P 17:27, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
Not every item was actually squished in the first run. Some lower level items were left out. If they have been changed in the second squish, well.. I don't think it'll be easy to really tell if it was first or second squish that they got. With that in mind I don't care enough to suggest that we note the squishes on individual item pages. I wouldn't vote against it, if somebody really wants to work on a project like that, but I won't support it either. PeterWind (talk) 09:44, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
I don't really care anymore about items, feel free to handle it how you want :p Xporc (talk) 08:15, 24 October 2018 (UTC)